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Hardware, Embedded Systems Hot on the heels of the Russians, we have another clone maker popping up, this time in fish & chips country: Freedom PC. "Powerful and versatile, environmentally friendly yet inexpensive computer systems compatible with any and all of the main operating systems: Mac OS X, Linux or Windows. So YOU can decide which one to use for what YOU want to do. And we give you a choice of models, too - from the low priced and good looking office machine, the ideal choice for business, to the high powered, sleek, gaming media centre. All, with the operating system of your choice pre-installed - or none at all - at prices accessible to all." They offer various models pre-installed with Windows, Linux, or Mac OS X.
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already answered, if you do nothing to the machine, then nothing will slow it down. Just like my win2k3 VM. If you mess with it all the time, then it will get slower as crap accumulates. All three questions answered.

I dont see how "crap" accumulates in a system that removes all but text config files when uninstalling applications.

It's not just the registry, it's also drivers installed by some app, and not removed by that apps setup program (clearly not Windows fault)

Really? I dont have this problem on Linux, because it supports my hardware natively. No bs with scattering drivers with faulty install software all over the place and configs I cant remove easily.

drive fragmentation (it happens, defrag that drive once in a while)

First of all everything fragments - that's a desperate argument and not one fixable with software (but with flash drives when they take over). Secondly EXT3 and EXT4 have near legendary status in terms of preventing fragmentation. The problem is horrendous on ntfs. Sure it's in no way unique to windows but much worse than nearly any other file system.

too many startup programs

You can just turn them off on linux. a lot of software on windows is extremely insidious the way it integrates with the os (not Microsoft fault however they do make it easy to do so though hooks for example anti virus software)

Theoretically, man can't fly either, but I am flying next week.

Technically you're in a machine that can fly. That's just a ridiculous statement.

Theoretically, nothing can travel faster than light, but quantum entanglement shows that information can.
Just because it's not accepted with classical thinking does not mean it is false. I was pointing out the lack of basis(in argument) for your assertions with no reasoning behind how it is possible.


A lot of apps do more than just add or change some config files. and sometimes, changes to config files don't go away when you uninstall an app. a networking app or an update can change the duplex setting of the NIC, instant slowdown.

Which you can manually change without massive obfuscation like in Windows. Where some even problems are simply unfixable without just starting over (which is quite absurd when you think about it).

Or, a new version of xorg comes down, and because of new features, it's a bit slower than the old version. Things like this can and do happen.

So you literally have to resort to bugs (or regressions and hence mistakes - human error) as an example of how Windows is not unique in slow down situations? I think that proves my entire point.

One thing I do know for sure, is that the latest kernel available for lenny, 2.6.26, seems a bit slower than the one that was distributed when Lenny was first released. I can see the difference in speed when I boot the older kernel (2.6.24, I believe) and watch the system start up, and then again in normal usage. (I have bootsplash turned off).

There is a specific regression between 2.6.26 and 2.6.28 that cause this. It has already been fixed. Has anyone fixed the slow down in windows 95-98-me-2000-XP-Xp64-2003 ? No.

I disagree, because my Lenny desktop at home proves it. The thing was damn fast when I first installed it, and after a couple of years, it is visibly slower.

Likely the previously mentioned regression which has been fixed is the cause (there is an article on Phoronix about it if you're interested

My Ubuntu desktop went the same way, only much quicker. I've seen it on fedora core too, but it's been a while since I used it, so I couldn't tell which version.

I'm currently(and primarily) a fedora user fyi. Not experienced that.

Linux doesn't work like that, you scatter files and stuff all over, not as bad as windows, but it's not neat and tidy like one dir == one app.
That is why I said mac. Mac is not Linux. As mentioned before linux does not have this problem either due to effective package management.

I understand how the system works, do you?

You don't seem to know about the differences in file systems, mention already fixed bugs as a problem while ignoring endemic problems in software design that has been available (and unfixed) for years(registry, no effective software management system) and seem to be confusing Mac and Linux.

I am speaking from personal experience, but you can go ahead and discount it, just because you haven't experienced it yourself.

That's not my intention. I'm saying: If there is a problem explain where it is, what is causing it and how it is possible because it doesn't seem to be one that effects more than a small minority. For all I know it could be anything from poor hardware choices to faulty ram to some huge architectural problem but nothing verifiable is given to back up any statements - completely unfounded.

Perhaps you only surf the web and chatter on messenger, if that's all you use it for, then you might not notice any slowdowns either.

I'm currently writing a book, I play games every now and then(modern), I used to be an IT Consultant and do a lot of software development, dvd authoring, I'm currently on a graphic design course and have a lot of high end audio applications. I do other things too and if you had commented on Linux being deficient in some of those areas I would certainly agree but there seems to be nothing behind your statements other than just claims.

You haven't offered any concrete reasons why it couldn't happen, other than some muttering about only touching config files and that it "theoretically couldn't happen"

Except for the whole system of installation/uninstallation and isolated storage of config data I suggest you read my post again.
Ah so you're using the "Prove god doesn't exist" argument? I can see i've wasted my time then.

Edited 2009-05-21 17:29 UTC

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