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Even the documentation on Debian's website states that that is how you remove packages, but it is not a complete uninstall. This is because they were dependent packages, and were added automatically by apt, but because they were separate packages, they were not automatically removed.

That is true, but as they aren't in use they have no effect on speed of the system except when accessing the package database (searching, adding or removing software). Both in theory and in reality. Nice try yourself ;)

So why are you even talking to me? At least I have experience with the OS's I am talking about. I have already stated that I use Debian Lenny, and I use Suse, and FreeBSD for fun and profit, and have used Ubuntu and Fedora in the past. I used Ubuntu on my laptop, and have for 3 or 4 years. I use the things I am commenting on.

I've been using Linux since SuSe 5.2, I've used mandrake since 7.0 Red Hat since 7.3, I've used Arch for many years, Gentoo and others. I don't see why you're just making up random ideas about what I have used with no basis? Fedora is currently my main system but that doesn't mean I use(or have used) nothing else. Please try to be objective.

Considering I was talking going from 2.6.24 to 2.6.26, I guess that means that the rest of your statements are just useless also? If you aren't going to read my posts, why should I, or anybody bother giving you any credibility?

Lol? this is quite ignore what I said then tell ME i'm not reading your post? Wow, just wow.

I'll put it in bullet points so it's easy to understand this time:
* You upgraded to 2.6.26 from 2.6.24 to 2.6.26.
* 2.6.26 through 2.6.28 have a regression that impairs performance
* You upgraded to a kernel with a performance regression, it sucks, i'm sorry.
* It has been fixed in newer kernels.
* The older versions of windows were never updated to fix any such problems in any of them (this was a main point I made before)

I don't know how much more clearly I can repeat this. It is basic English.

Ok, let's handle this one at a time.

Differences between filesystems:

Other than mentioning having to defrag Windows, and that Windows didn't have a dedicated swap partition, how am I seemingly confusing filesystems?

I didn't say you were confusing file systems. As said above you need to read what I have typed to reply to it. I said you do not seem to know the difference between the file systems as you were mentioning fragmentation as if it is equal among all. It is not. wont matter in the future flash drives perform the same regardless of fragmentation.

FYI i was saying you were confused between Mac and Linux as you responded to a comment I made about the Mac as if I said Linux. I did not.

Also....You can fix the swap problem by setting a registry key to make it delete the swap file on shutdown and recreate it on start up - avoids the fragmentation issue with swap files, mostly.

I obviously know the difference between NTFS and the various Linux FSs. Really, either explain your arguments or just stop arguing

As said above I do not know a way of being more clear than the previous direct examples. If you choose to read something other than what I write I cannot help that.

but I have offered a few examples, and other than your erroneous statements about the infallibility of Linux package management
I never said it was infallible, you just did. I pointed out why it was better, you relied on the argument "it's not perfect" and I never claimed that. Try again.

and about a regression in a kernel that has nothing to do with our discussion

It is directly relevant because it was concerning the kernel you upgraded to - the same one that caused a slow down on your machine.

you have offered nothing but generalities and BS.
Specific examples are hardly generalities.

Mentioned already fixed bugs:

Already dealt with, let's keep going...

ignoring endemic problems in software design:

Software design is of course subjective...granted but the results are clear. But database fragmentation is a reality, and the registry is a it or not it is true. Don't believe me?

what that a few megs of registry can slow down a dual core with 1/2/4/8/16G of ram? Get real, it's a pretty small database, any reasonable computer should see no slowdowns with the registry.

Database fragmentation recently brought down the sql server hosting windows 7 RC requests. This is a much larger scale database of course but database fragmentation effects the registry also and causes much of the slowdown. Microsoft have said themselves this has been a problem. See this is where I feel I'm hitting my head on a brick wall. Lack of knowledge about how databases work is just one example here.

I suppose you recommend all those bogus registry cleaners and memory optimizers too?
Only the ones published by Microsoft ;) I'd definitely recommend hijack this(trend micro) for start-up programs and spybot search and destroy for the obvious though.

and seem to be confusing Mac and Linux:

I don't know how you got that, but whatever, a fanboy's got to have something to grab a hold of.

You said
Linux doesn't work like that, you scatter files and stuff all over, not as bad as windows, but it's not neat and tidy like one dir == one app.

When I used the word Mac at the start of the sentence specifically talking about Macs, but you answer with "Linux". They are not the same. Nice try though.

WTF? I read your posts several times

Not enough seeing as you misread almost everything you quoted, clearly.

but all I see is somebody, unlike myself, who really doesn't use Windows

I'm posting this on windows and I have to use it daily for the obvious audio software, Photoshop (though, this, specifically does run though wine) and various games. See the funny thing is you seem to have this hugely biased view of me when in reality I can concede many windows advantages (mainly applications) such as Visual studio. Nothing on Linux has a patch on it, nothing, not even close. But you'd rather just write off everything I say with some personal bias because you didn't understand anything I wrote, I really despair at this.

and has no idea how far the platform has come since win98. But like a lot of Linux geeks, they still think that the Windows world is stuck in 1998, and continues to spout the old tired crap.

I think I have a good idea. XP-64 is alright on the whole, but i'm not a fan of Vista. I think you'll find that's quite common among the tech crowd though. If we're speaking on a technical or architectural level I think it's a mess(as demonstrated by my previous points) but it works for something quick, easy with a huge breadth of application support. A computer is just a tool for most people anyway.

A final note:
In future please leave your "oohhh you're a fanboy" BS out of replies unless you actually understand the words I have used to respond. There's no need to be childish, its just a friendly debate on a website.

Edited 2009-05-21 22:24 UTC

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