Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Jul 2009 07:29 UTC
Opera Software Last week, the European Commission announced that Microsoft is willing to implement a browser ballot screen in Windows so that users can select a browser to install when installing Windows or when setting up their OEM computer. While this makes Opera very happy, Opera would like to see Ubuntu and Apple offer such a ballot screen too.
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RE[3]: 0.5% share threshold
by hangman on Wed 29th Jul 2009 15:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 0.5% share threshold"
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I don't like the EC.

Good for you. Now stop derailing the discussion with off-topic whining. There is no doubt that Microsoft has broken the law.

Then there's the double/triple/quadruple jeopardy. How many times is Microsoft to be fined for the same offense? Seems that the EC has fined Microsoft multiple times for bundling IE in the 1990s.

Microsoft isn't being taken to task for BUNDLING IE as such. It's being taken to task for abusing its monopoly in one market to destroy the competition in a different market.

And even if the EU had fined Microsoft for breaking the same law in the past, that does NOT prevent them from finining Microsoft again if the crime continues to be committed! And clearly, Microsoft has continued its predatory practices.

But you are probably recalling incorrectly. They were busted in the U.S.

And this latest incident where the EC decreed that it is illegal for Microsoft to not ship a browser at all?

When did the EC decree that this is illegal? They didn't. They said that simply removing IE was not a sufficient remedy to restore the market. That's not the same as removing IE being "illegal". Jesus Christ, where do you get your nonsense from?

So if they say that it's illegal for Windows to not have a browser, then that's the way it is.

They did not. Stop lying already.

I think the EC is out of control.

Clearly not, since they bust monopolists that break the law.

I think the notion that Windows MUST bundle a browser is absurd.

It isn't. Microsoft BROKE THE LAW, remember?

And, to the point I made in my GP post, I think the EU's decision to choose a ballot browser share threshold that's so tiny, but required to be tiny in order to let Opera sneak in is absurd.

Stop blatantly lying already. The browser share was set to 5%. Opera has nearly 10% in Europe, and is bigger than Chrome and Safari combined.

And I think this ballot screws over any new browsers that may come along. The ballot presents a barrier of entry, but not by Microsoft, but rather government mandated, which is an order of magnitude more troublesome.


The ballot will force web designers to code for standards instead of browsers. This means that the barrier to entry is LOWER than it used to be because new browsers will have to waste less time being bug-compatible with other browsers.

In conclusion: You seem to be either extremely dishonest or extremely ignorant. I don't know which. Either way, your straw men, constant repetition of the same old lies from MS HQ show that there is something fishy going on here.

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