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Perhaps I should have prefaced my comments a bit... I was restating the issues as I saw them in those threads, and from experience. I think Mark Shuttleworth is basically doing all he can to work with Debian, and doing his darndest to convince them of his sincerity. I think it's a great idea, and I continue to try to wrap my head around why some Debian developers can't see it.

Meanwhile, I think the Debian developers are being stupid if they can't see that someone who is willing to do a job they love for free, wouldn't be more willing to do the job they love for money. And they blame Shuttleworth for having the money to do so (and don't blame Red Hat, this I have also noticed). Their own internal communications problems are no more important to the discussion than Ubuntu's alleged problems with reporting bugs upstream.

The commenter I was principally paraphrasing blamed Shuttleworth both for an exodus of Debian developers to the Ubuntu project, AND an influx of Debian developers FROM the Ubuntu project. Shuttleworth can't win.

And that's why I don't think he's going to. At least, not without strenuous objections from people like that. I'd love for this to work, but whenever I hear about Debian I invariably see comments with that level of vitrol, and I hear about projects stonewalled by those people. I'm sure I'm committing a fallacy of generalizing "some" to "all", but as I recall the attempt to set up a developer fund to pay to get the last release out, didn't work so well.