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OSNews, Generic OSes We had a remarkably short week this past week, so this will probably be the shortest Week in Review yet. We talked about Apple's hardware design, GNOME's decision to drop icons from menus and buttons, KDE 4.3 was released, and more.
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setec_astronomy
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2007-11-17

If you have paid attention to my views on competition in the OSS world (which is not to imply that I particularly think that everyone *should* be looking to me for guidance) it should be clear that I believe in 2 major competitors battling it our in the top tier, with a churning cauldron below, out of which might spring surprising new competitors.

With the exception that I prefer a system with more than two "major" providers, I'm pretty much in agreement with you here. Of course, given your background and your use cases, anything that needs more than 50 - 100 MByte per shared desktop without providing in return really convincing benefits for your buisness oriented desktop customers is probably no longer eligible for "tier 1" membership, while my requirements for recomending and deploying software is less constrained and - perhaps, errenously - more forgiving to shortcomings and errors. It would probably be interesting to discuss when GNOME 2.x became tier 1 worthy by your definition, but since it is evident that we have somewhat different and entrenched positions regarding that particular transition, this is probably not the right thread for discussing this.

I'm not sure that one can accurately characterize that as "KDE Hate". I am, however, annoyed by fanboyism of any sort. Even, and perhaps especially, in my own camp.


As somebody who is guilty of tolerating the fanboys on my side of the argumentative fence (and probably of being a vocal and anoying fanboy myself) I would like to point out that you seem to have less problems with fanboism in favour of projects you value. This may be one reason why people, including yours truly, perceive your behaviour on KDE4 threads as surprisingly emotional and not on par with the usual quality of your other contributions to discussions. (I will stop the smoozing in a minute, promised).

I know you attribute this to "everybody that cared and didn't drank the kool-aid-written-with-k has already moved on", but most reviews of KDE 4.3 and 4.2 - including from such outspoken critics like SJVN (who is imnsho a windbag, but this is besides the point) seem to be pretty positive. It probably is a wrong impression, but your reaction towards all developments in KDE 4.x seems to be "it sucked, it still sucks and as long as they don't perform the dustiest kowtow in the history of software development, it won't stop sucking".

It would be great to discuss the shortcomings of a project that definitly has a lot of room for improvement like KDE4 with a knowledgeable critic without falling into the repetative patterns we currently have.

Edited 2009-08-12 14:59 UTC

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