Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th Aug 2009 17:55 UTC
X11, Window Managers Over the past couple of months, and especially over the past couple of weeks, I've been working very hard to write and complete my thesis. I performed all the work on Windows 7, but now that the thesis is finally done, submitted, and accepted, I installed Ubuntu - and immediately I was reminded of why I do not do any serious work on Linux: the train wreck that is X.org.
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You still haven't answered the question
by Johnny on Sun 16th Aug 2009 14:45 UTC
Johnny
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2009-08-15

Thom,
I understand that you're frustrated and that you don't really care who's fault it is for your bad experience, you just care that you lost your data.

I understand that because that's one of the reasons why I decided to stop using any Microsoft products in 1996. My experience using Windows 3.11 was so terrible with flakey windows behavior, an inability to view a web page using netscape and print something out without windows 3.11 crashing on me was one failure too many.

Having experienced SunOS, a stable operating system with a stable window manager, X-window, back in 1992-1993 I knew that it was a sick joke for a large corporation to push an operating system to the masses as unstable as Windows 3.11 and call it the "best" operating system ever.

That's when I discovered Linux at an electronics store and I knew I found the solution to my problems. With Linux I would be in control of what software was installed on my computer. And yes, I might have had to learn a thing or 2 to get the system to work with my hardware, but it was worth it, because it taught me things about how an operating system works that I would never have found out otherwise using a closed system which discourages me from asking questions.

My experience taught me that proprietary software was at best suspect, and that OSS software was always preferable for a task if I needed an application and I had a choice of tools.

So I'm asking you again sir, did you or did you not use a proprietary driver which replaces the functionality of Xorg with its own implementation?

If you used a proprietary driver, a driver which Xorg had no responsibility for, how can you blame the Xorg people?

I don't think it's reasonable to say "I don't care who is at fault, I lost my data, so I'm going to arbitrarily blame Xorg".

To help you see what I'm trying to say, here are some more examples to consider:

"I used a nonstandard compiler which creates its own implementation of runtime libraries to compile my code and when I run the program it memory leaks 1 TB of data taking out all of my programs and losing all of my data. I don't care who is at fault, I'm going to blame the standard compiler for this mess."

I'm sure you've experienced this one:
"I love my operating system. It's the best one yet. I got a new hardware toy, that comes with a proprietary kernel driver provided by the manufacturer. It memory leaks however so violently it takes out my OS in under 3 seconds of using it, not only wiping out my current session but also causes any unwritten buffers to get wiped out and hosing supposedly saved data as well on the hard drive.

I don't care who is at fault, I lost my data. So I'm going to blame the Operating System, and call it the shittiest OS ever."

Does that help you to see the point I'm trying to make?

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