Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Sep 2009 22:38 UTC, submitted by EvilWells
Debian and its clones Developer Frans Pop, author of debtree, posted an article showing the evolution in size of the GNOME desktop environment in recent Debian releases. The picture he paints isn't particularly pretty: the default GNOME install has increased drastically in size over the years.
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RE[4]: Get off my lawn!
by marcp on Tue 8th Sep 2009 19:32 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Get off my lawn!"
marcp
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Just what exactly is your problem with HAL and udev?

If you hate automation, you should be using pen and paper, not a computer.

Is it THAT HARD to understand, that not everyone needs device automounting, media autostart, notifications; automatic recognition of file format and all of this 'wonderful enhancements'?
As I said beore, there are MANY types of users and not everyone needs neither likes - say - Ubuntu way of doing things. And as the guy above already said - the whole lot of the enhancements bring a whole lot of new security issuess.
Some people prefer to have a minimal installations. Not because their masochists, retards, gurus, geekies or whatever. It's just a minimal nature of some of us - certainly and thankfuly not all of us.

@dragSidious - I think that everyone here knows exactly [or - at least - know an idea of] what the UDEV and HAL is, but thanks for an exhaustive explanation. I'm sure someone will find that useful.

Lastly - I don't really need an automation and that's the point. I don't want some future malicious code to mount my devices, access my private informations with stored enc session and so on, and so forth.

BTW, this is why I hate UDEV, HAL:

UDEV - it always MESS my whole HW config. It used to swap my ether interfaces and I don't want to be forced to use the god damn udev rules. It's unnecessary! I don't need to trimm /dev dir in size. It looks just fine on my OBSD box, so why the hell should I need udev in linux or freebsd? this is useless and it creates new troubles. I love the OLD and REASONABLE way of doing things.

HAL - that's a real pain in the ass. It used to f43ck up the whole system and making it unusable. Keyboard used to generate the whole bunch of doubled inputs, mouse behaved oddly and everything was just a mess. Again - I don't want to edit some god damn policies! I don't need that. Everything worked GREAT without HAL, so why the hell should I sacrifice simplicity? that makes NO sense. Throw it into Ubuntu, but just don't make it default for every damn distro and kernel version on earth. Not eveyrone uses Ubuntu.

ugh ...

Sorry for the typos. I don't have a time to correct them

Edited 2009-09-08 19:45 UTC

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