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Window Managers Window Maker is an X11 window manager originally designed to provide integration support for the GNUstep Desktop Environment. In every way possible, it reproduces the elegant look and feel of the NEXTSTEP user interface. It is fast, feature rich, easy to configure, and easy to use. It is also free software, with contributions being made by programmers from around the world.
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RE: Need a desktop environment
by i92guboj on Fri 4th Dec 2009 15:16 UTC in reply to "Need a desktop environment"
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'- What happens if you plug in an usb stick? Or usb hard drive?'

That's what hal and udev are for, the desktop really does nothing but to put a GUI in top of that... Just google for "writing udev rules" to know how to do that without a single extra megabyte of desktop installed.

'- Can you mount a windows partition without command line (or entry in /etc/fstab)?'

Yes. ntfs-3g is a FUSE based fs, and FUSE is kind of an acronym for "filesystem in userspace". And, more importantly, if the Desktop can do it: you can do it... There's nothing magic about a desktop, or a WM, the desktop is not a piece of your kernel so it can do exactly the same things than any other kind of userspace software. No more, no less. The only difference is the way you do it.

'- How easy it is to set up your wlan? Do you have to fire up wicd?'

It depends on the application you use for that, only that. The desktop has nothing to do with that.

I admit I am higly biased because I just dislike this model of doing everything in your desktop... Call me old-fashioned, but I am one of these animals that believe that the management of the hardware should be in the hands of the kernel and the core system tools, and not in the hands of a desktop. This is bad for many reasons. First, and very important, it makes the software difficult to port to other architectures, second, it makes the software incredibly complicated, it duplicates functionality that's already there in lower layers. It's not really the *nix way to reinvent the wheels once and again and again, when there's already a tool that does the task, and does it very well.

This also makes standarization very difficult, because each desktop likes to do things in its own particular way. I find it really ridiculous that you need to enter X to bring up your network. Ridiculous, really. Good luck when X breaks and you need internet access to download a fix or an update... Insane. And much more these days that the graphics drivers and HAL seems to be having fun with every human being using Linux hehe.

All you need for that is a driver for your hardware and ifconfig or whatever is used to manage your concrete lan interface. Again, if the GUI can do it, then you can do it as well.



Now, about WMs vs DEs, I really find the native window managers for kde and gnome really limited, compared to what fvwm, xmonad or openbox can do, just to name a few... Kwin still stands to some point, but metacity (gnome) is really the dumbest WM ever, only comparable to windowlab or evilwm. It can move, maximize or minimize windows, little more. The rest of the desktop are just applications, and these applications can be used under any WM. Using fvwm or windowmaker really doesn't mean you can't use gnome-panel if you want, or nautilus, or konqueror, or xfce-panel... and so on.

So, using a standalone WM is not only possible, but it's also the best thing you can do if you really need some advanced window managing features. I will continue to use fvwm just because there's no way that kde or gnome can do even a 10% of what fvwm does in which regards managing windows. I use lots of gtk, qt and kde apps inside fvwm, it doesn't limit my scope, in fact, it broadens it.

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