Linked by Kroc Camen on Sun 10th Jan 2010 14:27 UTC
Podcasts The round table changes again this week, Kroc Camen is joined by Tess Flynn and David Adams--sorry, no Thom this time. We discuss the mobility of personal computation machines once more with the fresh topics in the news this week. Google's Nexus One phone, Palm's developer announcements, some Microsoft / HP thing that happened or something, and the sound of inevitability: the Newton Apple Tablet.
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Weak info on Palm
by elgeb on Thu 14th Jan 2010 01:15 UTC
elgeb
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I was very surprised to hear the bad the treatment that Palm got. There was missing information (mentioning only a part of what was shown), and lots of misinformation.
For instance, on the developer front. Saying that Palm is struggling to get significant developers, and then "there is a big difference between 300 and 3000 apps". Was it uninformed or dishonest to imply that there were only 300 apps for webOS?

No doubt, Palm is way behind Apple & Android, but then with a dev kit out only since July, they aren't doing that bad either, both in numbers (> 1100, which is past the middle between 300 & 3000 in enlightened circles [3x 300 < 1000 <= 3000 / 3]) and quality. In 12 days, the number grew by 10%, from 1000 on Jan 1. That's what you call no traction? At 10% every 12 days, they'll be at 3000 in May... which they won't, I realize that, but that's still a platform gaining great momentum, no matter how you slice it.

For quality, I find that a very large number of apps are equivalent to their Android versions (check out http://projectappetite.com/ to convince yourself. Using them myself on both, I seldom find any significant difference), with a number of cool 3D games from top developers, like Need for Speed by Electronic Arts, available right away on webOS, but not on Android, I wonder why...
Have you tried webOS apps lately?

I was amused by the claim that Palm "needs it's Droid", implying, a much more potent device than the Pre was desperately needed. FYI, the Pre has the exact same CPU than the Droid, though with a smaller screen, but with the same amount of RAM (2x for Pre Plus). The Droid's screen is its only advantage once you ignore the form factor (a matter of taste). But mind you, it was available 5 months earlier.

Criticism of the dev tools fell flat as well: while indeed some C++/Java/Objective C developers can feel uncomfortable with HTML/CSS/JavaScript, they are outnumbered by the number of HTML/CSS/JavaScript capable developers, who are happy to prove that you often don't need anything else to build perfectly good apps. Many developers find that much simpler indeed, and that Engadget has iPhone, webOS and Backberry versions of their app, but no Android support yet might be a proof of that. The arrogant C++ developer (like me) should no longer look at web developers with contempt: It takes serious skills to build modern websites, like Google Maps or gmail and the like, nothing to sneeze at. And if you, the "real" developer, think web tools are just toys, be sure you are yourself not in need a serious retraining...

Palm knew that they needed more for advanced 3D games though, and by giving a full fledged and already proven 3D dev kit (by the 1st class games available immediately), they showed they were aware of where they were and knew what they needed to do.

Little or no mention of tethering on Verizon, Flash 10.1 (the real thing, not Droid's), video recording/editing/posting and you complete a podcast in serious lack of research before entering a conversation between obviously, uninformed parties happy to share their opinions nevertheless.

Very, very disappointing from OS News.

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