Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2010 15:36 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this week, Apple launched a HTML5 Showcase page, displaying several uses for HTML5 and related technologies. However, it turns out that Apple is using trickery to block out browsers other than Safari, with the end result that browsers with better support for web standards than Safari can't access the demos.
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RE[4]: Still unclear
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jun 2010 19:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Still unclear"
Nelson
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Freedom, platform independence, and open standards are big deal to a large segment of *developers*. Most end users don't know the difference but there is a powerful movement within the web development community that doesn't care about your precious frame rates. Chrome, IE9, Firefox are all fast *enough* and featureful *enough*.


I don't know who modded you down, as I appreciate insightful posts like yours.

However I don't think framerates in the single digits are "fast enough". Maybe in the future they will get better, and IE9 shows that they can, but in the immediate and short term.. they're not, and customers still demand RIA and LOB apps regardless.


You seem to think this debate is entirely about the abstract technical merits of each option but it is not! There are bigger issues and the technical merits of Silverlight vs HTML5. You may be right that Silverlight is better in many ways but HTML5 on the new breed of faster browsers is *good enough* and the additional benefits of Silverlight are not meaningful.


I understand that, however I do try to viciously fight back the lumping of Silverlight into the same technical wastebasket that Flash is dumped into.

Your point is well taken though, there are various political forces at play which obviously prevent Silverlight from having as much fanfare as it deserves.

Really, broken down, Silverlight is a mash of very web-esque technologies. Declarative language with built in vector graphic support, databinding, hardware accelerated rendering, and a Jit engine.


So you may argue based on technical merits that Silverlight won't die but know that *most* developers want it to die badly, and want HTML5 to succeed badly, and very large powerful corporations want the same.


Well that's doubtable, the "most developers" part at least. Silverlight has an army of trained .NET developers in the workforce just itching to make a paycheck off of it (like myself).

Half of their problem is perception, the end user really doesn't care much about a 5mb, 90 second install plugin which they do once.

Symbian and WinPh7 have already proved it's possible to bring performant Silverlight to mobile devices. So as the technology tug of war shifts in the post-pc emerging chess board, we'll see Silverlight become more instrumental.


So, even though you could render overlays on video at 2x the frame rate (good for you), Silverlight might still lose this war.


Sure, I acknowledge that. I'm not complacent, I just wouldn't count SL out yet.


I'm really sorry you invested so much of your time into something that everyone hates and is on questionably ethical grounds. Maybe you should just embrace HTML5 yourself and see that it isn't so bad, and you can actually feel good about it instead of having to go around ripping people and avoiding the real issues of the debate.


I'm not sorry, I enjoy developing in Silverlight, and make decent money off of it. I also have embraced HTML5, and because I have, I am able to see its weakspots.

I can point out a lot of SL weakpoints too, probably moreso than HTML5 because I've been frustrated by SL more often =P.

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