Linked by David Adams on Tue 22nd Jun 2010 16:10 UTC, submitted by Jeremy Prince
Oracle and SUN Sometimes, Google's search engine does a better job of telling us about IT vendors than the vendors' own public relations and marketing machines, which are often there mostly to deflect questions rather than answer them. So it is with the next commercial and development iterations of Oracle's Solaris Unix operating system.
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For instance, Sun has the TPC-C world record right now. But IBM claims they still have the record even today! Because "IBM scores higher TPC-C per core, therefore IBM has the world record". Sure, IBM has higher score per core, but please look at TPC-C and see who has the world record. It is Niagara 1.4GHz machines.


You forgot to mention that IBM used 1 machine, and Oracle used a cluster of 12. Even TPC distinguishes between clustered, and non-clustered. Clustered is just plain silly, and there are only 2 in whole history of TPC-C.

BTW, IBMs TPC-C world record machine, a Unix P595 costed 35 million USD list price. With discount, it costs 17 million USD. That is a ridiculous sum. How can you charge 17 million for ONE AIX server? Sick.


That's wrong. The prices in the disclosures include every piece of hardware and software used in the benchmark. That includes cables, switches, x86 machines to generate the traffic, etc.

TPC-C makes it really easy to look at the prices. There's a nice table in the executive summary. You don't need to look through those huge full disclosure reports that are hundreds of pages long.

I saw a few import things when comparing the 2 submissions.

http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/IBM/IBM_595_20080610_...

http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/Sun/Sun_T5440_TPC-C_C...

If you look at the table for the p595 submission, most of the money was spent on storage. The list price, before discounts, was $21 million for storage. The list price for the p595 was only $12.6 million. I think a 50% discount is reasonable since they gave a 55% discount on the whole package. So a p595 is more like $6.3 million.

Why did IBM spend so much on storage? It was June 2008 when they ran this test. SSDs weren't an option. 1.5 years later Oracle was able to use some SSDs and reduce their storage costs. TPC-C has always been heavy on storage. Even with the SSD advantage, the Oracle list price for storage was almost $13 million.

The other big cost is the DB software. Oracle RAC is quoted at $7.8 million for a 3 year lease. That's right, like a car, when time is up, you have to pay more if you want to continue using it. And no, I'm not talking about maintenance here. At least the DB2 is $2.3 million and you get to keep using it.

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