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phreck
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First off, I did talk about users, when I said "What about the massive costs of retraining your entire staff on how to use their computers"

Is your staff not your users? They are the ones who have to use the computers to do their work. Sorry if that was not clear, but it seems clear to me.

I am a software developer and programmer, not system integrator / -admin / -operator, and we don't have users around. And when you say "our entire staff" then that's not unambiguous: Entire IT staff, or entire company staff, if any?


What???? They do need to know how to use the damn thing, and if they can't, then no work gets done.

It depends. E.g. in small logistics companies, where there exist a few thousand in germany, so small that not even SAP Business one is small enough, you basically have to either use Excell or OOCalc, Softmaker based apps (available for Linux, too), or often enough a custom app written in "portable" Java. And with my open eyes, I've seen often enough the department store and windows-is-just-the-host thingy.

So really, we should both not lump together things. Sorry if I did.

My users do need to know about network shares, accessing and mapping printers, remote desktops, using Excel, using Word, Brio, Access, Visual Studio, Dreamweaver, the list of apps that they use is very long, and they would have to be retrained in ALL OF THE EQUIVALENT APPS.

See above. Sticking with my above example, users in logistics companies have to access network shares, too, they also have to save and copy files and so on. But this works vey similar on most Linux flavours.

And they still don't have to know about the innards of installing file systems, the differences between ReiserFS and XFS. They don't need to know the technique of hooking into network. If it is properly configured (isn't it in your company? [serious question]), they just click their way through.


There isn't even a good replacement for Access.

Possibly because Access isn't really good in itself. And I don't know many companies that use Access. Actually, the last time I've seen Access was in a school 5 years ago, for training Access usage. The school itself didn't use Access for anything, but IBM based Linux machinery.


If some or all your data is kept in Access/SQL Server DBs, then the cost of converting your data, has to be included, that includes technician time, testing alternatives, and rewriting in house apps.

If.


make me doubt YOUR integrity, or your intelligence.

Okay. So we have something in common.


You want long term, the users themselves may have many years, sometime decades experience with Windows and Office. Only a fool upgrades apps with no business case. Only a fool changes the entire OS and apps for their organization and doesn't take their users into account.

Not wrong. So companies have to analyze whether Linux or any other system will improve their volumes.


We buy new versions when their is a solid reason too.

Wait until most companies switched to Office 2007 +, everyone using Office Open XML. Then you are forced to switch (except when there are proper add ons), and you'll see your users complaining about how shitty the new ribbon things are ("shitty" as in "I am not used to it"). Then you'll have to retrain. Combined with having to upgrade from an no longer supported version of Windows to a new one, with large licensing volumes and immense hardware assumptions, the dreaded situation where a non-Windows-OS is worth a look comes nearer.


The parent poster did.

Wrong. He stated "cost-saving", not "liberation of any cost", and linked to some articles, of which none mentioned that a buzz linux installation is completely free.

Edited 2010-06-25 08:42 UTC

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