Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Sep 2010 21:36 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Internet & Networking Now this is a subject sure to cause some discussion among all of you. LifeHacker's Adam Pash is arguing that Chrome has overtaken Firefox as the browser of choice for what he calls 'power users'; polls among LifeHacker's readership indeed seem to confirm just that. He also gives a number of reasons as to why this is the case.
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RE: javascript speed
by jacquouille on Fri 24th Sep 2010 14:12 UTC in reply to "javascript speed"
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You have to remember that the faster a browser gets, the harder it is to keep improving. V8 is getting closer and closer to running at native speed, and every millisecond they improve is an accomplishment.

Actually, method JITs like v8 will never even approach native speed, and here's why. Native code knows the _type_ of the data it's manipulating, so it can pick the right assembly instruction at compile-time. But in Javascript, which is a dynamic language where types can change at any time during execution, that's not possible. So yes, v8 is an insanely fast method JIT for Javascript, but don't expect it to go at more than 10% of the speed of well-written native (say, C or C++) code.

The only way to get closer to native speed is to know the types at hand, and that was the goal of Tracemonkey, which is a loop tracing JIT. Tracemonkey analyses the actual types in hot loops and generates type-specialized code for them. When it succeeds, it goes closer to native speed than what any method JIT can ever hope to get. The disappointment is that it doesn't succeed all that often, because of the way that actual real-world Javascript behaves. But it's still worth keeping, especially with the growing importance of doing intensive computation in JS, and the introduction of Typed Arrays, especially in connection with WebGL. So in Firefox 4, we keep Tracemonkey, and in addition we add a new method JIT, Jaegermonkey. We try to trace (Tracemonkey) and when we fail, we have a second chance with Jaegermonkey.

That said, there's no way FF4 is going to be faster than Chrome when it comes out. It should be about on par with Webkit, which is plenty competitive. V8 will maintain a lead.

Even if we restrict attention to JS performance only, that's not so clear. On v8's own benchmark, v8bench, indeed we're unlikely to beat them. But on sunspider (Webkit's benchmark) we are only 10-15% slower right now on x86 and we keep improving fast. On other benchmarks that give Tracemonkey a chance to trace, we win.

I know that Google has more workforce and more motivation to keep a lead on JS performance (to us, it's just one out of many goalsl; to them it's more crucial) so even if we beat them for a while they're likely to reclaim the lead shortly after. Just wanted to make it clear that right now we're on the verge of winning on sunspider.

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