Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Oct 2010 21:54 UTC
Linux Well, it's been a while since we've opened this particular jar (box is not historically accurate) owned by Pandora. Desktop Linux... Yes, that ever elusive readiness of the desktop that is Linux-powered. Some story on ComputerWorld argues that the desktop Linux dream is dead, and apparently, the story is causing some stir on the web. Well, paint me pink and call me a lightbulb, but of course desktop Linux is dead. However - who gives a flying monkey? Linux is being used by more people than ever!
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Icaria
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2010-06-19

Don't forget /usr/bin, and /usr/local/bin, and /opt, and /sbin and /usr/sbin
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If you started with a clean sheet or paper

From the paragraph you quoted:
Abbreviations and current usage aside

Like, good job reading 'n stuff.


I'm not talking about the basic ability to manipulate ACLs

From your previous post:
And the ACLs are not 'adequate for desktop usage' - i think OpenSuSE might have some support for manipulating ACLs from the GUI, but generally speaking ACLS are wholly unsupported as user-visible attributes of files, and are immediately destroyed when a set of 'standard' 'rwx'-based POSIX permissions are applied. The whole thing is insanely fragile.

To argue that POSIX draft ACL support as it stands today in Linux is 'adequate for desktop usage' is to be incredibly out of touch with what the average user expects in terms of basic visibility,functionality and coherency.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and merely call that equivocal.

So widget incompatibility is an issue then?
Sure, I never said otherwise but lets compare, shall we?
font sizes go all over the place
fails to pick up font hinting settings, fails where the gtkrc defines more than one font (although it's rare that anyone does this)
I'd say there's a good order of magnitude difference, there. Again, you're attempting to use my criticisms to further your argument, throwing out pathetic false dilemmas, either out of an inability to comprehend that this is not a fucking debate, or out of plain ol' douchebaggery. Still not sure which.

Seriously, implying that people who use macs are homosexuals? Thats wholly inaccurate, and very stupid.
Le gasp, I used a common pejorative! Good thing I didn't call anyone a freetard-oops, I just implied that some people are literally retarded. Lord, have mercy.

Hasn't happened to me.
Then you haven't been looking. MS seem to have a great deal of affection for Workbench 1.0 and make a point of recreating it in every inconsistent detail. They'll be awfully disappointed to know that their efforts have been for nought.

I think apps using windows GUI APIs do seem more polished and consistent than apps using Linux GUIs, in my opinion, yes.
Not responding; just quoting for posterity.

How can the deck be stacked in my favour when Windows has all the problems and Linux doesn't?
'So where did you say you were, while you were murdering your wife?'

or those problems (which you have been so stridently arguing against) don't exist on Linux
Double negative, say what? And, "strident", oh my; such subtle rhetorical devices.

How can the deck be stacked in my favour when Windows has all the problems and Linux doesn't?

I mean, either there are serious user-visible issues with toolkit proliferation on Linux, which makes the deck stacked in Windows' favour because of its corporate-enforced 'somewhat consistent' UI APIs, or those problems (which you have been so stridently arguing against) don't exist on Linux which would mean there was no stacked deck.
Bullshit aside, my point remains, if only because it remains unaddressed: it's a lopsided comparison. Even working with the fallacious expectation that Gtk+/Qt4 widgets should integrate with one another, their efforts are reasonably impressive. Once you consider that these technologies are as alien to one another as cocoa and MFC, it only compounds the achievement.

I didn't try to pass any of your work off as my own. How do you figure that?
Repeatedly, rather than defend your own criticisms post-rebuttal, you've opted instead to merely substitute them for my own more tempered criticisms, while continuing to press the same conclusions. It's lazy, the relevance to your conclusions are tenuous and it's just not very good.

And if DKMS has nothing to do with this, why bring it up at all?
...because you mentioned having trouble with drivers, after updating your kernel? DKMS being the solution that evidentially eluded you, I mentioned it. You then, deliberately, or otherwise, mixed it up with the argument relating to the interoperability of desktop software stack.

People saying 'well <X> works for me, so shut up' doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
No, it just means that the problem doesn't exist for them. Desktop users simply don't have to deal with that shit, it's taken care of. Next.

The 'We must force people to open source their work and integrate it into the mainline kernel by severely inconveniencing them
...by forcing them to test against the latest kernel, rarely requiring more than trivial changes and testing. Never mind that this is all a non-argument, the moment that you expand the discussion to include the BSDs.

I guess so, are you really this aggressive, bigoted and rude?
Bigoted, strident, aggressive? Enough with the foreplay, baby; lets get dirty. Come on, get to the inevitable allusions to Naziism and lynchings and doing away with the decadent intellectual classes. Don't be a cocktease, go wild. Don't stop, don't stop, keep going. Call me a fascist pig, oh, that's it, baby. Now, finish me off with some pointless victimisation... oh... oh...
I guess when you disagree with me its perfectly justified but when I disagree with you its all gay, obtuse bullshit?
aaaaaaaaaaaah. I came.

Was it as good for you, as it was for me? ;)

I guess when you disagree with me its perfectly justified
It's not?
but when I disagree with you its all gay, obtuse bullshit?
Not all. Perhaps you could clear this up for me: are you in this for the INTARNET GLORY, do you honestly not understand what I am saying and am a bit lost, or are you just someone who neckbeards at the slightest criticism? I'm guessing it's some combination of the above, given your muddled responses and 'you're a bad, bad man' angle. I may be crude, rude and not terribly subtle but I'm a pretty nice guy and I didn't exactly open this exchange with 'you're wrong about everything and *nix doesn't have problems'.

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