Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Nov 2010 22:35 UTC, submitted by Debjit
Fedora Core Well, what do we have here? It turns out that Ubuntu isn't the only Linux distribution who took a left turn off the X.org highway, now driving on a road that will eventually lead to replacing X.org with Wayland. Fedora's 'graphics cabal', as they call themselves, have explained themselves on Fedora's devel mailing list. They also explain how network transparency can be added to Wayland in a number of different ways, making the mailing list thread intriguing reading material. Also, everybody happy with the headline? No panties in twists this time around...?
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RE[5]: Not shocking
by werpu on Sat 13th Nov 2010 11:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not shocking"
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X is not what you think it is.

It is a windowing system first, and the network transparency comes second. Not the other way around.

X can do exactly what any "modern" windowing system found in Windows and Mac, and more. Which is why it will be probably be forever damned to be misunderstood.

What X needs is an actual standardized toolkit, and a consistent way of doing things. The problem of X is that it was open enough that there ended being offered more than 2 ways of doing the same, almost it seems through its entire history: Athena vs. Motif vs. OpenLook then, Gnome vs. KDE vs. whatever now, GTK vs. Qt, etc. etc. etc.

The problem is not X really, but what is built on top of it. All it is necessary is simply to build, and ENFORCE, a common set of standards for the widget set, window manager, and consistent look and feel of apps. The route Ubuntu et al are proposing involves all that PLUS reinventing the wheel for the windowing/display stack. I do not think that is necessarily the best solution. It will take longer and more effort... but whatever, some people do not enjoy efficiency and crave making things harder that they need to be.


If you look at how many holes xorg has pushed into the basic X implementation to get modern stuff running then you can see that there is a serious problem, also given the speed of development, I guess the entire concept is way overdesigned. X was the lesser option compared to Display PDF and NeWS back then and still scale not as well as other systems, not even on the network, where RDP runs circles around remoted X and even the mac2mac remoting runs performs better than X11.

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