Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Nov 2010 22:24 UTC, submitted by koki
GNU, GPL, Open Source Now this is interesting. We see what is at its core a very valid concern, in practice not a problem to anyone, and, thanks to the tone of the press release, close to trolling. The Free Software Foundation Latin America is complaining about something that has been known for a while - there is some non-Free code stuck in the Linux kernel (mostly firmware). A valid issue of concern from an idealogical viewpoint, but sadly, the tone of the press release turns this valid concern into something close to trolling.
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gnufreex
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2010-05-06

FSF doesn't vampirize Torvalds, it is other way around.

You say FSF is lame because Hurd doesnt work? Where is Torvald's Photoshop replacement? Where is Torvald's desktop environment? Where is Torvald's Emacs? Where is Torvald's compiler? He must be pretty lame when he didn't wrote any of those things, instead he co-opted FSF's and named them all Linux.

How you like them apples? What I said above is may not be politically correct, but it is lot more correct then what you said about FSF.

No, Linux is not Torvald's property, even it is obvious that some Torvaldists think so. Reality is that FSF started writing free operating system, did the most work and when Linux came along they decided to embrace it and help it instead of competing with it. A nice thing to do. They advocated for people to go and help Linux kernel, they even de-emphasized Hurd and stopped all investment in it. All they wanted is to they get some credit for the OS they wrote, not for kernel named Linux (even though lots of FSF followers worked on it) but on whole OS. They deserve it.

I really don't get why all this hate against FSF. They sometimes overdo it, but so does Torvalds. He hates C++ fans. He is abusive against peole who like kernel debuggers. He likes to flame people on LKML. He said OpenBSD folks are masturbating monkeys. List goes on and on... So how come everyone from FSF is an asshole while Holly Torvalds never does wrong? All Torvalds did is start one pet project, which was then improved by people who thought they are doing it in the name of Freedom as defined by FSF. So in a way, Linux kernel is Torvald's bait and switch. I don't think it open core (at least not intentionally) but Torvalds in a way hijacked credits over other people's work to satisfy his enormous ego. I can name more than 10 kernel devs who did lots more work on Linux kernel, and yet they get lot less credits than Torvalds.

Lets face it, if there was no FSF, Linux kernel would be alternate kernel for MINIX operating system, it wouldn't have free userland, and it would probably be under Torvald's shitty "no commercial but give me code back" license. Than means no Android, no Red Hat, no Canonical. And probably we wouldn't have this conversation.

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