Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Feb 2011 23:33 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Is it really going to happen? Will we see one of the more momentous announcements in the tech world next week? The web's been abuzz about Nokia possibly adopting Windows Phone 7 for a number of handsets, and now even The New York Times has chimed in - at which point it might be time to start taking the rumours seriously.
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Exactly so you can't just say that they have totally failed when it is doing well in England[...]

I didn't. I'm saying they play a game of "me too" and that it's not a recipe for overwhelming success.

Oh so software makers are not customers now?

No, not in this context. They are developers.

You obviously have not used Windows 7, Basically makes everything else look crap (says the man with a iMac on his desk). I am extremely satisfied with Windows 7, growth rate of Windows 7 installs is staggering, obviously at some point they must have pleased quite a few people after the relatively poor sales of Windows Vista, It can't just all be OEMs.

You would still use Windows 7 no matter how it looked. It's nice that you happen to like it, but irrelevant.

That's not exactly customer satisfaction at its finest.

[...]things like facebook, iPod, google maps are a few I can just think off the of my head. Innovation isn't about inventing something new, it is about taking something that is could be awesome and is currently broken in some way and fixing it.

Careful, you're talking about the leaders of their respective fields.

But OK, so you're saying that absolute game-changers aren't relevant, that fixing things is good enough. Give me an example involving Microsoft, then. A market where Microsoft took something broken, fixed it, and absolutely owned as a direct result. It cannot be about Windows or Office, and it cannot be a "market" within one of these monopolies (eg. .NET). And I'm afraid I will not accept the gaming console market as proof either.

That Microsoft are cultivating a rich developer environment where skills can be transferred easily.

There's nothing innovative about keeping your developers happy, it's common sense.

Everyone except Nintendo has sold at a loss, they make the money back in selling Games ...

Then why can't Microsoft do that too? Have the others needed a decade as well?

Anybody can enter and stay in a market by throwing money at it. The trick is to make useful products at a profit. To do that you need some amount of empathy for your customers. And to absolutely own the market you need to make something outstanding.

Selling more than the competition is apparently failing, right.....

When you sell at a loss each item you sell is actually bad for you. You want to offset the loss in some other manner. They haven't been able to.

they are losing on the console and making money on peripherals

No, they're not. The losses are for the entire Xbox division, they're overall figures.

I admit I don't have information more recent than summer 2010. If you do please share.

You used the classic "extend, embrace, extinguish" crap I hear from Linux fanboys soooooo many times, maybe you should keep to the facts instead of rattling off well known phrases that are used by what some of use know as "freetards"

«"Embrace, extend and extinguish," also known as "Embrace, extend and exterminate," is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences to disadvantage its competitors.»

From here:,_extend_and_extinguish

Had it occured to you that Nokia are developing not only Meego, but also Qt, this is probably expensive. Windows Phone 7 is already built ... buying licenses for this may well be a hell of a lot cheaper than running two large software development projects?

Qt for mobile and MeeGo were already well on their way and in their finishing stages when WP7 came out. I don't see how suddenly doing a fundamental switch late in a project can be good for it. Not unless it's absolute crap and you decide to cut your losses. How crap is MeeGo remains to be seen.

It's true that adopting an existing OS saves you from investing into your own R&D. But it puts you at the mercy of the OS maker. All OEMs have learned that the hard way in Windows' glory days. That's the angle that Google is exploiting by making Android free and open. That's why Apple and Samsung and Nokia and RIM etc. are making their own OS.

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