Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Mar 2011 18:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y And over the weekend, the saga regarding Canonical, GNOME, and KDE has continued. Lots of comments all over the web, some heated, some well-argued, some wholly indifferent. Most interestingly, Jeff Waugh and Dave Neary have elaborated on GNOME's position after the initial blog posts by Shuttleworth and Seigo, providing a more coherent look at GNOME's side of the story.
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by segedunum on Mon 14th Mar 2011 20:31 UTC
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I don't get the point of Jeff Waugh. For years he's seemed to have been a corrosive influence, villified by people even in the community he claims to represent and for some reason he miraculously turns up over this issue and starts dishing out his pearls of wisdom.

I really don't know what else could have been done to get StatusNotifier into Gnome. It was discussed at length, it didn't just appear out of nowhere, the Gnome devs asked for some changes they seemed quite receptive to and when they were duly accommodated there was silence and it was duly rejected with few, if any, reasons given. That's usually a classic tactic. You ask for changes that you hope won't be done and then you stonewall when they are.

I think we can all agree that Canonical have got a lot of things a bit off skew, but all I know is that the stuff that Canonical put into Unity and KDE put into KDE actually works and it hasn't hurt anyone.

This little gem in Dave Neary's blog tells you all you need to know about how they really feel about collaboration:

This is not a compelling problem statement. No user ever had a problem because notifications didn’t use D-Bus.

I don't know what you can say to that. D-Bus was initiated many years ago, by a prominent Gnome developer no less, to ensure that apps and desktops could communicate with each and work, thus helping those very same users. KDE embraced and uses D-Bus extensively. I have no idea what's been going on with Gnome. As far as I can see they've reimplemented it several times with little in the way of results.

As for the Freedesktop nonsense, Seigo and many others have been trying to get Freedesktop working for years and haven't been helped one iota. Mainly Gnome developers then turn around every time and say that it is broken as a justification for not putting in any input. It will never be fixed, mark my words, but Gnome not being a part of it might not be very important anyway.

The distasteful thing is that various Gnome devs don't just come out and say "Look' we don't care about Freedesktop or collaboration and it's not worth our time". They paint their position as the exact opposite, reject anything related to it and then spin like crazy to try and tell everyone how they have 'misunderstood', certain things weren't done in a 'He said, she said' type exchange with people (very important that things can't be proved) and try and paint another different picture of what went on on mailing lists because they know the discussions are too broad to nail them down.

I've never got this distasteful attitude that seems to exist at the core of Gnome. It certainly doesn't happen everywhere in the project or many of its applications, but it does happen at the core of it.

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