Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Mar 2011 18:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y And over the weekend, the saga regarding Canonical, GNOME, and KDE has continued. Lots of comments all over the web, some heated, some well-argued, some wholly indifferent. Most interestingly, Jeff Waugh and Dave Neary have elaborated on GNOME's position after the initial blog posts by Shuttleworth and Seigo, providing a more coherent look at GNOME's side of the story.
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RE: Duck and Cover
by dneary on Tue 15th Mar 2011 10:37 UTC in reply to "Duck and Cover"
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I really don't know what else could have been done to get StatusNotifier into Gnome.

If you want to get GNOME to adopt an interface, then talk about what the interface is intended to achieve. Don't ignore the history in the discussions either. Look up Galago, for example, as some background context, and libnotify.

This little gem in Dave Neary's blog tells you all you need to know about how they really feel about collaboration:

"This is not a compelling problem statement. No user ever had a problem because notifications didn’t use D-Bus.

I don't know what you can say to that. D-Bus was initiated many years ago, by a prominent Gnome developer no less, to ensure that apps and desktops could communicate with each and work, thus helping those very same users. KDE embraced and uses D-Bus extensively.

Are you willfully and deliberately inferring something I didn't say, or is it accidental?

Look at what I said: no user ever had a problem because notifications didn't use DBus. Allow me to rephrase: No user cares what under-the-covers technology is used to fix the issues he has, or implement features he's interested in.

User problems are of the type: "I want to know when my computer connects to a wifi network" or "I want to know when I have an appointment coming up without opening a calendar application" or "I want to know when I have new email without opening my email client". And I don't care whether that's implemented in the back-end with DBus messages, shared memory, small applets that use inotify to watch mbox files, or whatever. It doesn't matter to me, the user what the desktop environment & application developer do to solve my problem.


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