Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC
Internet & Networking It's official now. The signs had been there for a while now. While the west bangs on about the importance of freedom and democracy, they don't actually want anyone to have too much of it. The US, France, and the UK have jointly pretty much declared war on freedom on the web.
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RE[4]: @Thom - Core freedom???
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 11th Jun 2011 12:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: @Thom - Core freedom???"
Thom_Holwerda
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Should gay people allowed to get married? By law I think so. Being gay isn't illegal. Should gays allowed to get married by a priest or in a religious setting? I think not.


In The Netherlands, the first country to legalise same-sex marriage, we have the sane structure: you actually marry twice. There's the legal wedding, which is done at city hall by a government representative. This is the only marriage that counts as far as the law is concerned. Since our entire constitution is built around the concept of unconditional equality (article 1), this legal marriage cannot exclude same-sex marriage without violating your constitutional rights.

You can then choose to have this followed up by a ceremonial wedding. In a church, mosque, synagogue, or even on the beach, in the forest, or at home with friends and family. It's entirely optional, and has no legal basis whatsoever. If you only get married in a church - then there is no marriage as far as the law is concerned.

The interesting bit though is that while you would expect churches to not accept same-sex marriages - a lot of them actually do. Many churches welcome same-sex marriage with the same open arms as 'regular' marriages. The reason for that is simple: anyone who has ever truly read the bible and who truly considers himself a christian (i.e., following the teachings *of Jesus Christ*) understands full well that Jesus would actually wholeheartedly approve of same-sex marriage, sex out of wedlock, divorce, and all these things.

You cannot call yourself a christian and then not follow the teachings of christ. The new testament should always overrule the old testament, and many churches in The Netherlands understand that. Most christians in the world are actually not christians at all; they're... old testamentians (or whatever).

World of difference.

Moral of the story: it is not up to the state to decide who is allowed to get married. As far as the state is concerned, marriage is a legal construct, nothing more, nothing less. Churches are free to colour in marriage as they deem fit, and if that excludes same-sex marriage, then fine - no matter how retarded and anti-christian I personally find that.

In fact - I have no problems with polygamy either, for instance. It's not for me, but if fully consenting adults want to have such a life? It's none of my - or the state's - goddamn business.

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