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GNU, GPL, Open Source Google has finally acknowledged that its characterization of Android as open source is false and, in the end, this can only make the mobile platform stronger, InfoWorld's Galen Gruman argues. 'It's hard for believers to accept that open source brings with it difficulties, but look at the consistent failure of the other open source mobile platforms -- Moblin, Maemo, and MeeGo -- that all devolved into grad-student-like thought experiments and personal pet projects. Users don't want that, and ultimately products are sold to users.' Instead, Google has been quietly taking parts of Android back in house to develop them purposefully and deeply, and as Google has asserted more control over Android, it's improved.
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RE[4]: Wrong
by delta0.delta0 on Mon 15th Aug 2011 11:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Wrong"
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Got me there ... I can't use a slow package management system, but I can install programs quickly and easily from .exe and .msi files (or I just unzip) ;-D.

A slow package management system ? Pray do tell what is slow about apt ? please explain this point,

lets see I want to install gimp, I just want to quickly edit a picture, in windows:

1. open up web browser, go to google

1. go to google search for gimp web site.

2. go to gimp website (if it is actually the correct site and not some dodgy other site)

3. find the latest version of gimp for windows.

4. download the exe

5. install the exe

On Linux (Debian)

1. open up konsole.

2. type in sudo apt-get install gimp or sudo su then apt-get install gimp.

3. gimp installed and job done.

You call this slow ?

time apt-get install gimp
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Suggested packages:
gimp-help-en gimp-help gimp-data-extras gvfs-backends
The following NEW packages will be installed
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/4,887 kB of archives.
After this operation, 14.0 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package gimp.
(Reading database ... 133376 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking gimp (from .../gimp_2.6.11-1ubuntu6.1_amd64.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Setting up gimp (2.6.11-1ubuntu6.1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
ldconfig deferred processing now taking place

real 0m6.151s
user 0m0.870s
sys 0m0.570s

A whole 6 seconds to install gimp, wow thats so long and tedious ..

What about un-installation of the program ?

1. click start, find control panel.
2. control panel locate add/remove programs
3. add / remove programs wait an age for it to populate the programs list.
4. find the program and click un-install click through confirmation windows until finally.
5. un-install the program ..

What's even worse, practically every s**** program on windows leaves registry entries, add/remove over a year or two and your guaranteed to begin to get inconsistencies within the registry, slower boot times and general issues. only solution reinstall

On Linux (if using kde):

1. press the K, search for konsole, or if your like me its already on your taskbar

2. type in either sudo apt-get remove --purge gimp
or sudo su then apt-get remove --purge gimp.

3. done, no traces left in system, no stupid registry. job done.

Again lets check performance:

time apt-get remove --purge gimp
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
libgail18 libwmf0.2-7 libwebkitgtk-1.0-common libbabl-0.0-0 libgegl-0.0-0 libpoppler-glib6 libgimp2.0 libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 14.0 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
(Reading database ... 133628 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing gimp ...
Purging configuration files for gimp ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
ldconfig deferred processing now taking place

real 0m4.696s
user 0m0.610s
sys 0m0.310s

wow a whole 4.69 seconds, really SLOW.. I can see what you mean.....

Lets not forget patching, recently rebuilt friends laptop, It took 3 days for it to update itself, its such an ass way of updating, trickle of updates reboot, service pack, trickle of patches reboot continue.. continue.. service pack .. ... ... after 3 days of constantly telling it to get the latest updates it finished .. On linux ? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade everything updated in 1 beautiful swoop taking around an hour if its really out of date, you can change between versions in less than an hour and if your internet connection is super fast 15 - 20 minutes..

Can I also mount my home folder on a software raid-1 partition?

Does that allow you to convert your home partition into raid 1 ? I think the answer is no it doesn't. Windows has no concept of /home like in Linux, your equivalent in vista/7 is c:\Users a direct rip off of Mac osx /Users/ and in windows xp that would be c:\documents and settings. Can you split that folder off to be a raid 1 partition while leaving the rest of the system as before ?

How about mounting /root /boot into a raid 1 array
and leaving /home /opt /var /usr in a raid 0 ? can you do that in windows ?

You can get software raid 1 on the drive but can you split it off any way you wish like in Linux ? what about LVM ? will it allow your to set up a raid 5 array for example allow you to setup a partition and be able to resize that partition? how about if your raid 5 array runs out of space will it allow you to add more storage on the fly using lvm or an equivalent ? we are talking about any version of Linux being able to do this regardless of desktop / server / home / pro or whatever any version of ubuntu will allow this any version of debian, in fact there is no distinction.

<snip>...</snip> couldnt be bothered to get into these two

Yes it called unplugging the network cable, pouring concrete over it and putting it at the bottom of the ocean ... No computer system is 100% secure.

Can you chroot processes in windows ? how about running virtualised instances using Xen/KVM/LXC so that you get near native performance without needing to spend thousands on a server version (great for security)?. se linux ? apparmor ?

<snip>...</snip> A lot of the modern dsl routers run Linux, even the Cisco ASA's run Linux

Most of all, can I legally use Windows of MacOSX free of charge?

TBH if it being $0 is the only reason you are using something that just makes you a cheapskate ... I personally don't mind buying a Windows License for £120 and then get to use that product for approximately 10-14 years with support ... edited...

10 to 14 years ? Windows XP was the exception to the rule what about windows vista ? Windows ME ? What about MS Office how much does that cost ? Good Anti virus software, how much does that cost ?

Oh and can I patch stuff or even report a bug on those systems?

Windows has an automatic bug reporting tool, and both systems have regular updates and patches.

If you are going to say "I can patch the sources yourself" ... I doubt very much you write your own Kernel patches so all you are doing is patching the system yourself.

Way to go buddy ... you have proved you are a ignorant cheapskate

No you have proven that your ignorant, you can patch things that are not in the mainline kernel, you dont have to write your own code to add functionality to Linux, some things are intentionally left out.. What about compiling kernel and statically compiling in all necessary modules and making the kernel non-modular ? better performance and no chance of a root kit, cant add a root kit to a kernel that doesn't support modules being loaded in (possibly during 2.4x not sure with 2.6x pretty much expect this to still work). also the bug reporting tool in windows is meh at best, forget patching it yourself not a chance..

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