Linked by umad on Thu 25th Aug 2011 22:51 UTC
Apple I thought OSNews would be a good forum to talk about a matter that has been weighing on my mind lately primarily because the site has been so focused on Apple's patents and litigation as of late. The news that HP, the largest PC manufacturer in the world is spinning off or getting out of this business is what really prompted me to write this article.
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RE[2]: Wait a minute...
by Dr.Mabuse on Sat 27th Aug 2011 05:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Wait a minute..."
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"How much of the industry is littered with make-believe stories and innuendo?

Your entire post is innuendo, but let's just answer your question.

Ouch ... Must have touched a nerve.

I have to try and focus my reply, so excuse my snipping:

Steve Jobs and Apple engineers were specifically invited to tour PARC and see their inventions. In exchange for early access to Apple stock at a reduced price, Apple got to make products based on PARC concepts. Xerox invested itself in a company capable of delivering products based on its inventions, in order to share in any resultant success.

Two crucial points. One, the arrangement was Xerox's idea. Two, it was an offer exclusive to Apple.

So the idea of a "WIMP" GUI is *exclusive* to Apple? Presumably through patent or copyright transfer? Your provided links don't seem to support this idea. Where can I find more information on this (anyone?) A solid reference would be nice.

Do you support the idea the Microsoft copied code from Apple?

"It's also worth mentioning, that at the same time the Mac and PC were originally battling it out, the Amiga's operating system and user interface was light-years ahead of either of them. Never mind hardware specs.

Why is that worth mentioning? MacOS was already ahead of Windows at the time, so neither excellence nor originality won out, whether you take Amiga into consideration or not. Are you suggesting that if Apple had been more consistently and aggressively litigious, Amiga might not be around today? (Perish the thought.)

Yes, it's worth mentioning because this story is not really just about PC and Mac. There were numerous other players at the time, dozens of different user interfaces, some I'm sure some were influenced by the Mac, and others by Xerox and many had plenty of original ideas by themselves (see the Amiga's "screen" concept.)

The fact that Windows was hardly even used at the time (certainly until v3) means that the Mac's lack of "world domination" was nothing do with any perceived wrong-doing by Microsoft, but rather by the more open and performant platform that the PC was.

The argument, as I interpret it, is that Apple got shafted and knows enough to try not to get shafted again by whatever legal means it can muster. Having done some reading to respond to you, one interesting loophole I noticed is that UI elements weren't found to be out of scope of copyright per se, just that none of the ones Microsoft was using unlicensed were covered, nor was the overall innovative arrangement ("look and feel"). Since Apple didn't license the iOS interface to Google, they may even still have copyright ammunition despite the Look and Feel outcome.

IMHO: Apple make nice products for sure, but the fact is, without them we'd still have modern GUIs, we'd still have tablets, smart phones and we'd still have portable music and video players. They are not are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

Are Apple and it's fans so immersed in the cult of victimhood that they fail to recognise that they didn't get "shafted" ? They were out-competed by products which performed better and cost less. The success they have now is because they have a good product that seems to fill a (much-hyped) niche. Who will they blame if (or when) this too comes to end?

Edited 2011-08-27 05:48 UTC

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