Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th Sep 2011 22:26 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption So, people from within Iran have hacked the Dutch company DigiNotar, allowing them to issue fake certificates so they could listen in on Iranian dissidents and other organisation within Iran. This is a very simplified version of the story, since it's all quite complicated and I honestly don't even understand all of it. In any case, DigiNotar detected the intrusion July 19, but didn't really do anything with it until it all blew up in their face this past week. Now, the Dutch government has taken over operational management of DigiNotar... But as a Dutch citizen, that doesn't really fill me with confidence, because, well - whenever the Dutch government does anything even remotely related to IT technology, they mess it up. And mess it up bad.
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RE[3]: Comment by Berend de Boer
by zima on Mon 12th Sep 2011 23:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Berend de Boer"
zima
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Coercion is generally bad IMO.

In a truly free market, what's to stop somebody from coercion via economical domination?

IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED NUMEROUS TIMES, the economically advantaged group can use free market to enforce tyranny on others, for example: White Citizens Councils ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Citizens'_Council ), you can't rewrite history. Fact: White people used the power of the free market to destroy the lives of middle class black business people without having to resort to violence.

Thankfully, the government stepped in and stopped the oppression. Do you want the clock turned back on that one?

Again, it actually happened, the free market was used to oppress and destroy people, you can't simply rewrite or overlook history to agree with your political/economic theories, to make your cherished ideologies seem more plausible. It's astounding that people can discuss "market forces" and, nearly in the same breath, deny that the market has any kind of ("bad") force.

Yes, yes, "harm" would be illegal, but what is harm? Does it harm me if you pollute? What if you use child labour and my moral code prohibits it, when you undercut me in the market, is that harm? What if you decide to form some White Citizens Councils and drive all blacks out of business? Certainly that would be considered harm, right? Or would it just be the free market at work? What would keep somebody from economically coercing and dominating others? Or is that considered OK, as long as that somebody uses market forces to oppress others, to destroy their lives?

Who regulates what is harm? Maybe, hm, we should form some central entities handling such stuff on our behalf?

Edited 2011-09-13 00:12 UTC

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