Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Oct 2011 21:33 UTC, submitted by mahmudinashar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ah, it's that time of the year again. We already had this up on the sidebar, but I figured we'd turn it into a proper front page item - mostly because I want to discuss the move by the Ubuntu team to no longer install GNOME 2 as the 'classic' desktop option - which pretty much ends any and all involvement for me with Ubuntu (KDE 4 here I come). There's more to this than just that, of course, so those of you who do like Unity still have enough reason to upgrade.
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RE[7]: @Thom
by lemur2 on Fri 14th Oct 2011 01:53 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: @Thom"
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"None of your reported performance or stability issues occur on any of the many KDE installations I have done, and I have done quite a few, over a wide range of Intel/Intel and AMD/ATI hardware.
Go figure, your experience isn't the same as his.
If KDE4 itself were the issue, then it would be an issue for everyone, and I too would have seen such issues. You are ascribing to KDE4 issues which have nothing to do with KDE4. You are at least two years behind the curve.
Or maybe there are bugs in software that pop up with certain configurations and not with others. Maybe?

Maybe, but what has it (the fact that Gentoo and PC-BSD are borked) got to do with KDE4? Bugs which crop up only with certain configurations and not with others happen to all software, not the least with GNOME. Get real. Frankly, you sound like you are desperate to come up with something, anything, which you can irrationally hold against KDE4.

"I do have a highly recommended tip ... don't use proprietary drivers, especially for ATI cards.
I've used Nouveau and KWin still slows down after a while. Actually, no, I'm lying. I'm also being paid by Microsoft to astroturf KDE4 threads in hopes it won't take over the desktop and diminish Windows' marketshare because it's so good. Your KDE praise is getting tiring, really. We get it -- you like your DE of choice. Maybe others DON'T appreciate cluttered UIs, 1000 options to configure apps and a desktop environment that gets in your way all the time. Or maybe it doesn't work correctly with our hardware, and every new version is the one that supposedly fixes the problems. You don't have to convince everyone to switch to KDE to feel happy about your choice, you know.. "

If people don't like it then they don't like it, fine. No problem. BTW, the reason for having options is to let people set it up exactly how they like, so it DOESN'T get in their way. Unlike GNOME, KDE excels at this.

The only reason why I mention all these things is to raise a counterpoint to all the disparaging that goes on. The likes of Jason Bourne's comments, for example, claiming that there were no good KDE applications when he doesn't even know many of them that exist. Or claiming that people would be bothered by the occasional "k" in the name of an application, for that matter a name that they didn't even see on the menu. People should just try it for themselves, and decide for themselves.

Ill-informed naysayers who are desperate for people NOT to try it will happily post utter rubbish to forums such as this disparagining something which they know nothing about and haven't even tried themselves. It is their voices which need to have an opposing voice. It is dead easy to spread negative vibes and criticism, and it can be very effective at stopping people from trying something.

My concern is that people will listen to the naysayers and hence miss out on something that could be very good for them.

Edited 2011-10-14 02:05 UTC

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