Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Nov 2011 20:45 UTC, submitted by Straylight
Oracle and SUN I just emerged, blinking, from the world of Skyrim, only to realise Sun Oracle has released the 11th version of Solaris (well, technically it's the 7th, but okay, we'll roll with it). I'll be honest and upfront about it: Solaris is totally out of my league, and as such, it's very hard for me to properly summarise what this release is all about, so I won't even try.
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RE[5]: Cloudwashing
by Kebabbert on Mon 14th Nov 2011 11:34 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Cloudwashing"
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Oh, I know about that stuff. I just don't care.

Ok, it seems that you dislike Solaris because of political reasons. That is fine with me. But on the other hand, Sun did open up most of their sources, I would like to see MS or IBM open up all of their sources. Only Sun of the big companies, did that. No one else. Did you see MS open up Windows? Sun payed 90 million USD to get licenses to open up OpenSolaris (it used proprietary libraries)

But the worse part about DTrace has always been Sun, and now it's Oracle.


the worst part about ZFS was Sun and now Oracle. Sun was terribly run, and Oracle is just... has left a very bad taste in my mouth.




Solaris isn't widely deployed, is getting less widely deployed,[q]
Solaris is widely deployed in the Enterprise. Larry Ellison says that Solaris is the most common OS that the Oracle Database is running on. And Oracle should know which OSes their customers are using.

Solaris has more servers deployed, than IBM and HP combined. Now I am talking about Solaris vs AIX+HPUX, i.e. Unix servers.

Old Sun had 35.000 customers. Oracle have 350.000 Enterprise customers. Earlier there was only technical reasons to switch to Solaris (scalability, etc) now Oracle will also make sure there are business reasons to switch to Solaris. Many Enterprise customers are running Oracle Database.



[q]DTrace isn't enough (for me, and for most people) to switch.

It is because you are not a developer. There are several Linux devs that have switched to Solaris just because of DTrace.



A real effort has been made in the last few years to move away from being OS dependent. To keep the apps and data separated from the OS, or to use virtualization technology (like snapshots) to obviate issues like that. Nice feature, but eh, not enough to switch.

I did not understand this. If you do a patch or get a virus or something bad, then how does it help to be OS independent? You still need to reinstall everything, or do hard work with the CLI to try to repair. Or, you can just reboot into GRUB and you are done.




Containers I've found to be the least useful. It's all one OS.

It is because you are not a sysadmins at a Enterprise company. Solaris is for Enterprise. A desktop user might not find Solaris compelling. Now Illumos (the open sourced community driven Solaris kernel) is working to bring back Linux Container again, into Solaris.



With ESXi, KVM, Xen, yes, everything is virtualized. And honestly, it's much more flexible and useful than containers.

It uses much more cpu and RAM than Containers. IBM has even copied Containers, and IBM would not copy containers if it not was useful. IBM knows virtualization.




Sun made Solaris less relevant, and Oracle made it even less so (by closing it back up and abandoning OpenSolaris). It's a shame, but that's why I say 'meh' with Solaris.

OpenIndiana, Nexenta, SmartOS, etc is out there. OpenIndiana is a direct fork of OpenSolaris. Community driven.

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