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RE[4]: really?
by Jondice on Mon 19th Mar 2012 05:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: really?"
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Note that I'm not talking about peasants; peasants imply the existence of an agricultural society which is where the problems start.

I recall hearing a statistic where the average height was also about 3 feet, because like life expectancy - everyone was counted. Including infants. True, modern hospitals and care do significantly increase the number of infants to reach adulthood, but I hardly think this should be weighted quite so heavily as it is in rating life expectancy and quality of life.

"Of folks who hit age 15, the percentage of hunter-gatherers who make it to age 45 is higher than the percentage of forager-horticulturalists who make it to age 45, but not by much – 64% to 61%. Acculturated hunter-gatherers excel here; 79% of their 15 year-olds make it to age 45. You might even say the study’s acculturated hunter-gatherers were essentially Primal, eating and moving traditionally while enjoying access to modern medicine.

From age 45, the mean number of expected remaining years of life is 20.7, 19.8, and 24.6 for hunter-gatherers, forager-horticulturalists, and acculturated hunter-gatherers, respectively. Give or take a few years, they could all “expect” to live about two decades if they were still alive by age 45 – a far cry from a “nasty, short, and brutish” existence.

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I believe that if we are lucky science and modern medicine will win out against our other plights, but it isn't cheap, and we are running out of methods to expand our existing economies:
There are many diseases we get today, and many diseases we get in greater numbers, that aren't an issue in the few remaining forager/hunter/gatherer populations. Many of the diseases we get are no doubt related to stress from jobs. Humans used to be lazy, and didn't have to work all that hard to find food. They didn't have bosses, and spent over half their days doing very little work.

Each year, about 30000 new chemicals are introduced into our environments on average. Some in lesser quantities and some in greater. It adds up. Will it kill you? Probably not easily. Will they make you feel better ...ehh ... I doubt it.

Edited 2012-03-19 05:33 UTC

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