Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2012 08:26 UTC
Internet & Networking "The principles of openness and universal access that underpinned the creation of the internet three decades ago are under greater threat than ever, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin. The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of 'restrictive' walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms." That governments - east and west - are trying to destroy the open web, that we know. As for Facebook and Apple... Well, all I know is that it is completely and utterly impossible to check what information Apple has about you. Unlike Google (more here) and to a lesser degree Facebook, Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.
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hypocrisy, thy name is Brin
by maccouch on Mon 16th Apr 2012 13:53 UTC
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2012-03-14

oh come on, the full interview is full of BS.

Some points are true, the Govs censorship- including the US - & the media companies approach to piracy but the finger pointing to Apple and Facebook are just bollocks. Basically he just put them there to get a not so thinly way to launch a media uproar about them.

He actually complains that other search engines can't search Facebook? really? facebook is, for all intents and purposes, the largest private- discussion forum on the world. WHy should that be "searchable" by third parties? Would he like to open up gmail contents to outside search engines? really curious on much users it would have after that change. There's a lot of criticism one can point to facebook, but an excess of privacy is not one of them.

And also, he points out that FB has been "sucking out" users from gmail for a long time and that you can't extract your info from facebook? The last time i check the only way for you to get your info out of gmail was using their non standard implementation of IMAP to download your entire gmail account to your pc, spending a day reordering things and cleaning up, and then uploading to you new
mail server that actually complies with the f***ing standards. I wouldn't call that "correct and user-friendly exporting of data".

Besides facebook i guess you could also find out other mini-internets that are not searchable by third-party search engines: maps.google.com and plus.google.com just popped into my mind..

the Apple cheapshot is also off-mark. Apples restricts on iOS what apps you can install, not what content you can access. As long as it is on the web, i can "safari" my way to it. And why the f**k should my apps be searchable by google?! Didn't understood that one. We may agree that Apple's policy of not allowing side-loading on iOS devices is "incorrect" or "not-user-friendly" but that has nothing to do whatsoever with the internet censorship Brin is talking about.


"Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister." - Thom Holwerda

About apple this really doesn't make a lot of sense. Apple is not in the business of data mining and does no money from advertising ((don't really count the invisible/tiny business of iAds )). Apples does its money the old fashion way: it sells you products that you want to buy.

The only times i needed to use my AppleID was when i purchased something on itunes store or app store. And now if you want to use iCloud. Not sure if you need to provide it anywhere else.

So i guess the only things that you would get on Apple list of what it knew about you was your list of Apple purchases. I agree that it should be made available on appleid.apple.com for instance, but i would'nt exactly call it "sinister".

What was sinister for me was discovering my google record in google's dashboard somewhere in 2008/2009 and discovering that they had recorded everything i ever searched since 2004. You could pretty much make a day-to-day picture of me just by following their records.

Oh, the whole privacy issues of iCloud concern me, but my focus would be if that data was encrypted and properly secured, as apple is notoriously bad at web stuff, not exactly if apple was data mining it. Not saying it can't happen, just saying that untill now it was never a part of Apple business strategy.

Edited 2012-04-16 13:57 UTC

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