Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2012 08:26 UTC
Internet & Networking "The principles of openness and universal access that underpinned the creation of the internet three decades ago are under greater threat than ever, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin. The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of 'restrictive' walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms." That governments - east and west - are trying to destroy the open web, that we know. As for Facebook and Apple... Well, all I know is that it is completely and utterly impossible to check what information Apple has about you. Unlike Google (more here) and to a lesser degree Facebook, Apple provides zero means to see, export, or delete the information they have on you, associated with your Apple ID or otherwise. In 2012, that's just sinister.
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RE[2]: hypocrisy, thy name is Brin
by maccouch on Tue 17th Apr 2012 17:09 UTC in reply to "RE: hypocrisy, thy name is Brin"
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Why do I archive my GMail account using standard IMAP client? Opposed to Facebook's you can't even get a list of emails of your own "friends".

i don't have a facebook account for a couple of years now, but if i remember correctly there was an option of downloading your entire profile/pictures and commments in html format.

my beef with gmail is that for it to work "properly" with an imap client you have to go around setting up stuff and implementing gmail labs features and even so it might never act properly. it's not that you can't download, its that for years it was impossible to use it correctly the same way you would simply use a standard imap account. The fact that specific IMAP clients for gmail had to be designed (Sparrow for example) says a lot.

Standards for interoperability are extremely important. I get seriously pissed every time i discover some dumb company ignoring existing standards just so they can be "different". and lock you in in the process. (and yes, i know that apple does this some times. )

PPS: He's complaining about the fall of the open web, not privacy. So your characterization of Brin as a hypocrite is not correct.

No, he's complaining that the fall of the "open web" is defined by what google can index or not. Even if that measure is only the reverse of some kind of privacy. Facebook should not be indexed. Nor should any other social network or private foruns. In the same way, google own services as maps and g+ are not indexable by third party search engines. And yet he doesn't have a problem with this.

So, yes, Brin is f***ing hypocrite that took the opportunity of this article to take cheapshots at his adversaries. Which is a shame because the actual warnings about the govs and media companies messing with the net are serious and real issues that people should be warned about.

Edited 2012-04-17 17:10 UTC

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