Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jun 2012 22:55 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes "Whenever there is a conversation about the future of computing, is discussion inevitably turns to the notion of a 'File'. After all, most tablets and phones don't show the user anything that resembles a file, only Apps that contain their own content, tucked away inside their own opaque storage structure. This is wrong. Files are abstraction layers around content that are necessary for interoperability. Without the notion of a File or other similar shared content abstraction, the ability to use different applications with the same information grinds to a halt, which hampers innovation and user experience." Aside from the fact that a file manager for Android is just a click away, and aside from the fact that Android's share menu addresses many of these concerns, his point still stands: files are not an outdated, archaic concept. One of my biggest gripes with iOS is just how user-hostile the operating system it when it comes to getting stuff - whatever stuff - to and from the device.
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RE[2]: Stupid, stupid
by Nelson on Sat 30th Jun 2012 01:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Stupid, stupid"
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Perhaps that is generally true, but as I have stated elsewhere in this thread, whether the user cares or not has no bearing on whether or not they should be able to discern the difference between a file and the hole in their ass.

Also, I guarantee that when an utterly ignorant user will suddenly become keenly interested in files and directories, at the moment that he/she is desperately trying to find the presentation or term paper that was misplaced on the drive (for whatever reason).

Then it is the job of the OS to not misplace it. Find it. Surface it to the user. We shouldn't be punting the failures of UX design to the user.

Again, whether or not that is true has no bearing on whether or not they should take five minutes to learn the meaning of a file and a directory.

Of course it does. People value their time. Just because you keep saying "five minutes" over and over does not make it right. If, like you said, a file is lost somewhere on the system, it often can take more than five minutes to find it.

User frustration should not be a selling point. Why? Things can be so much easier.

Sure. If one wants everyone to be utterly helpless and ignorant.

I'm sure you're helpless and ignorant about a lot of things in life. This holier than thou attitude you've taken is a fucking bullshit.

People don't value productivity because they can't wrap their heads around something. They value it because they shouldn't have to.

It really doesn't help to repeat what users care about. Yes. Many users care about all the things that you say, but they also suddenly care about finding and securing their files when something goes wrong.

Things shouldn't go wrong. Files should be secure. The user shouldn't concern themselves with the implementation details of things. Its archaic and wrong.

No. Files, directories and filesystems are fundamental to such an idea. Without these items, you can't have "seamless integration" nor "uniform presentation."

They can exist, the user doesn't need to know about them. Users don't need to know the inner workings of their car to get to work. That would make life harder.

Way to go!

You've contributed nothing to the discussion, except rehashing the same (wrong) bullshit you've said to other people in this thread. I'm positive that I can read, so spare me.

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