Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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Yet Another Rant
by johntdaly on Fri 27th Jul 2012 16:56 UTC
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I have a lot of issues with this the blog entry, this article and half the comments posted so far. I don't even know where to start, so in no particular order:

1) Neither OpenOffice/LibreOffice nor Firefox are Gnome apps. I use them on my mac at work and on my Windows notebook at home. I would day the same bout Gimp and Inkscape but I think the blog author and a lot of other users confuse Gnome and Gtk WAY to much.
2) What the fuck is Gnome anyway? It sure as hell isn't DE anymore and while we are at it what is a DE? Right now I like the idea of the desktop shell a la E17 the best. I just want something to brows my system that allows me to start apps and switch between them. This confusion about what the fuck a DE is made my switch form Gnome to XFCE more annoying then it had to be. There is no need that for yet another fucking text editor just because I use Gnome3, Mate, XFCE, LXDE, ROX or name your fork here 5000. I liked gedit, I liked network manager (you can disagree, I'm fine with that). So why do I have to either import half of Gnome in any other DE I might choose to run or refuse to use apps I have grown accustomed to?
3) I love seed, the whole JavaScript is really and I want to use it. The problem is hate your desktop. I like QT too but that alone won't get me to use KDE. Gnome 3, Unity and KDE (since version 1, I've tried them all and didn't like any off them) get under my skin so I CAN'T use them. They just feel wrong. With Gnome 3 and Unity I know why that is, they don't appear to be made for the desktop and that is where I want to use them (I'll give Cinnamon 1.4 a try later this weekend, I've tried 1.2 on OpenSuse and had some minor issues with it).
4) Fuck the average user, you wont get them, you don't have them and it is becoming less and less likely that they will ever use a desktop computer if they haven't used one by now. Right now Gnome doesn't run on tablets and neither does KDE, not really anyway. We don't have tablet hardware where we can just slap a Linux tablet distro onto. That's a big problem in the long run and if you REALY care about it go help the KDE people trying to solve this problem OK? Because I just don't give a rats as about KDE or Gnome 3 or Unity on tablets of for that mater netbooks. I'm a programmer, so are almost all other people I know that use Linux in any way, if they aren't programmers they are system admins (with varying programming experience) or at least power users.

That's about all for me. I was a happy Gnome 2 user and now I'm using XFCE looking at Cinnamon and if any of the Linux desktops doesn't suit me I can use my favorite apps (that are all open source and cross platform) an mac or windows. And that is the point, stop confusing the desktops with a collection of apps (we are way passed the scarcity of good open source apps that originated this idea) and just give me a desktop and file manager combination that rocks ON the desktop. I'm not intimidated by config options so don't hide them, just don't force me to set them all either.

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