Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Jul 2012 19:38 UTC, submitted by tupp
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It might be a cliche, but sometimes, a picture says more than a thousand words. Over the years, I've often talked about how the technology world is iterative, about how products are virtually always built upon that which came before, about how almost always, multiple people independently arrive at the same products since they work within the same constraints of the current state of technology. This elementary aspect of the technology world, which some would rather forget, has been illustrated very, very well in one of Samsung's legal filings against Apple.
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Actually no. This is a tech site and most of the people here are tech people including programmers. I'm here (on my own behest) to say that for techs that iPads are very good at things that including using a bluetooth keyboard _as_well_as just using touch. And I did list several things that I and a couple other people you that only work using touch.

As a Senior Programmer, I would fire anyone that would waste time trying to do any real programming using a tablet of any kind. Even with a bluetooth keyboard, using a tablet is a HORRIBLE waste of productivity. Someone that tries to build enterprise grade applications on a device with a tiny, single screen, obviously doesn't comprehend the term productivity nor know what they are doing. It's great that you "can" write HTML on those toys - good for you. But in the real world, such an activity borderlines craziness and shows real ignorance to one's profession.

Examples of this is iPhoto and iMovie, if you are limiting yourself to touch only. This, to me, would be the equivalent to saying that I'm going to remove my mouse since PCs were designed from the start to only need a keyboard and a mouse was added later. For me, it is a no brianer to add a bluetooth keyboard since you can buy word processing programs to my iPad, which I did, and that combination works _great_. I also works great for programming while tunneling in from an iPad to a home or work computer when you don't want to lug the extra weight of a laptop but also want a device that is great at touch programs too. So what if they need to remote in.

In reality, you are grasping at the concept of trying to make the tablet computer work, when in reality, you are killing your productivity. You don't want to lug the weight around of a laptop, but you want to lug the weight around of a tablet with a bluetooth keyboard?

So, let's go with that approach and that you don't care about the size of the screen, and it's all about the weight. Let's break that down:

iPad 3 - 1.44 lbs
Bluetooth keyboard - 11.5 ounces
Total weight - 2.16 lbs

Asus U2E Laptop - 2.8 lbs

So, you contend that 10.24 ounces is so much of a burden, that you'd rather use something that would make you much less productive?

Again, nobody in the business world (when it comes to development) would ever go with that setup if they were actually professionals.

I'm curious though. Again referencing the fact that this is and we are techs here. Do you work for a company that uses VPN? If no, this is probably why the idea of remotely connecting to a computer to work is foreign to you.

What is foreign is the setup that you're trying to convince everyone here (and I think you're still trying to convince yourself) is actually productive and useful. It's not. It's ridiculous.

For me, it stopped being foreign back in the 80s when I dialed into work remotely to manage servers and I set some users to be able to work from home with sensitive data (we had encryption software at both ends to encrypt the data ...) on the companies computers.

"No they aren't. My friends do this a LOT and are VERY happy with the way the iPad works as a device to remote into their home computers instead of lugging around their much, much heavier laptops."

How do I put this that I haven't already.
Just because device "R" is not the best device for you. It doesn't mean that it isn't the best device for LOTS of people.

That's a hypocritical attitude. You think YOUR way is best for "lots" of people? If it's someone that isn't using your setup for real, actual work, and maybe typing up little blogs, emails, etc..., then yeah, you should be really happy. The reality is that the setup that you are trying to convince everyone is so wonderful is absolutely ridiculous to anyone in the business world.

Just because you are stuck thinking that typewriters are the best things for people that write books, doesn't mean that computers are better for most people moving forward.

A typewriter is a precursor to the word processor. The poster never said that a typewriter would be best (although a novelist that I know does like to use one, whereas her husband prefers to use his computer). But, that is a red herring to your point that really falls flat when it comes to reality.

Is an iPad the best device for everyone. No. And I never said that.
Is it a device that can be great at doing everything that I have listed?
YES. Emphatically yes. It is a great device for myself and my friends that use them in the ways that I have listed.

I take it you and your friends are unemployed/retired. If not, then it's safe to assume your productivity lags behinds pretty much everyone else.

The question is, why are you unable to believe this? Why can you not embrace the fact that there are other great ways to do things other than then the way that you do them?

There are certainly other ways of doing things, but to say it's "great" is, again, ridiculous. You can hammer a nail with a wrench, and it works. But, I certainly wouldn't call it great. I'm getting dizzy from this spinning and watching you try to grasp straw....

"I suspect many of them would be very tempted by a lightweight ARM touchscreen swivel laptop. It'd be better than toting around a separate keyboard all the time.

Ah ... so you are the equivalent of me but you are pushing ARM devices that do touchscreen swival but are a laptop.

This one is easy. VERY easy.

Because they aren't always typing. Because the weight and shape and feel of those devices are not appealing to everyone. Some people might like them. Maybe lots of people might like them.

*sigh* An extra 10 ounces is just so much weight to carry around. It would surely cause some sort of injury to strain oneself to lift that much extra weight....

However, some people, LOTS of people will _not_ like them. I could use Dr. Seuss rhyms for you but some people don't like them. Some people prefer a tablet to ARM laptops.

I, myself, like Dr. Seuss. And you do prefer a tablet to a laptop. So, no argument there - except for Dr. Seuss - who doesn't like Dr. Seuss?

ARM laptops are very much the same as Intel chip laptops except that they have an ARM chip in them and they have a touch screen.

Not all ARM based laptops are touchscreen.

We've tried computers like this but they did not make a great impression on us. We tried them before we tried the iPad with keyboards.

If you are talking about laptops with touchscreens, I fail to see how that was worse than a tablet computer. That's basically what you've attempted to turn your tablet into since you're carrying around so much extra weight of that keyboard (yes, that was tongue in cheek since the keyboard weighs more than the difference I have pointed out above).

Actually, if anything, these are what led us to get keyboards for our iPads and get Pages and Numbers and programs like those as we realized it (an iPad) was a MUCH better platform for "us".


Oh, and your ARM tablets. They don't have a store with 600,000 apps in it that is easy to buy and download and install if we should want any of them.


Irrelevant statement based upon your previous posts and statements. Stay focused and keep telling us about the glory of your little Apple branded toy.

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