Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Oct 2012 18:15 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 has been released, sporting the rather... Interesting tagline 'Avoid the pain of Windows 8'. Two main features are that websites can now be treated as actual applications, integrating them into Unity. The divide between local and online content when searching has also been softened, which, they claim, makes it easier to find what you're looking for. On the server side, it includes the Folsom release of OpenStack, "Cinder, for block storage and Quantum, a virtual networking API. Ubuntu's Metal-as-a-Service bare-metal provisioning tool has been updated and now supports Calxeda hyperscale hardware based on ARM".
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by lemur2 on Sun 21st Oct 2012 07:02 UTC in reply to "RE[10]: ..."
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"All of this took me just one reboot and about 20 minutes.

That's assuming that everything goes well and works properly after the upgrade, something I've rarely experienced with Linux.

Why won't you Windows weenies just quit it with this type of misinformation? It get really tiring, it really does.

I repeat ... I bought a laptop for which the supplier offerred Linux pre-installed (instead of Windows) as an option. Specifically Ubuntu. I wanted Kubuntu, but the difference in desktop has no impact in terms of hardware compatibility, so this laptop is therefore one which works with Linux. The supplier certifies it.

So I bought it with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed. It was running Linux when I turned it on for the first time. It works with flawlessly with Linux ... got it?


These are the same conditions under which people normally deal with Windows, BTW. It comes pre-installed on a machine which is known to work with it.

Anyway, I wanted to update to Kubuntu 12.10. I obtained an .iso file, and used Unetbootin to make a live USB from that file. I then re-booted the machine from the USB.

At this point, the machine is now running Kubuntu 12.10 from the USB. The hard disk has not been changed at all as yet, but the proposed new OS is nevertheless running on the hardware. I poke around for a bit and make sure that all hardware still works with the new version of OS, as it is expected to do so. Everything is fine, so I go ahead and commit to installing the new version of the OS on the hard disk.

There is effectively zero chance that anything will go wrong form this point. The machine ran Linux from the get-go, and the new version of the OS has already been tested on my hardware before I committed to installing it on the machine's hard disk.


It also slows things down when some needed software isn't available through the repositories, and has to be downloaded from elsewhere, or compiled from source.

Muon reports there are 62,964 packages available, and just 1,795 of those are installed on my 64-bit Kubuntu 12.10 machine.

For my purposes, I have a full desktop suite installed as it is, but if I found that I did need some other desktop program that was out there available for Linux, what do you suppose are the chances that it is NOT one of those covered by 60,000+ packages I currently don't have installed?

You Windows weenies are living in fantasy-land. No-one has to compile desktop software for Linux these days. Just get a Linux distribution which is meant for the desktop (such as Ubuntu, Netrunner or Mint or even Mageia), and you will find every possible bit of decent desktop software for Linux you could ever want is covered by the repositories.

OK? Can we finally put this myth about needing to compile desktop software for Linux to bed?


And of course I'd have to make sure I remembered to back up the various config files I'd had to edit to get things working when I installed the previous version. I wouldn't want to have to spend another weekend digging through howtos and Linux forums to remind myself how I fixed all the problems the last time.

What part exactly of "tested via live USB, freshly installed the OS, set up the users and the locale and the system Language, and installed a dozen applications not installed by default, in 20 minutes" did you fail to understand?

"Here is a 48 second video of someone using the Kubuntu 12.04 package manager (muon)

Package management is nice if all needed software is in the distribution's repositories. It becomes a bit more hassle when you have to search for a 3rd party repository with a particular package.

I added the Ubuntu partner repositories, the backports repository, medibuntu, firefox-kde and getdeb repositories for Ubuntu as a part of the install. This is how I get 62,964 packages available. Doing this involves the arduous task of copying and pasting a few strings such as "ppa:blue-shell/firefox-kde" into muon. Doing this is well documented for new installation "things to do" on Ubuntu forums, and it is well within the time budget of 20 minutes.

The real problem is when the software simply isn't available for the distribution you're using. Then you have a choice between trying packages from a slightly different distribution (e.g. Fedora RPMs in Scientific Linux) and hoping for the best, or compiling software from source. Of course that often brings with it the dependency hell that plagued Linux before modern package management.

Use a popular distribution meant for use on the desktop, it will have a huge set of packages available in repositories. Faux "problem" solved.

After an hour or two spent failing to install a nice graphical utility (one that would have saved me from more time spent messing around with config file editing), extra seconds downloading an installer in Windows doesn't seem like a big deal.

FUD. I am running the Kubuntu 12.10 OS right now, as I type this, without having had to edit even one config file. All customisation (what very little has been required) has been done through the "System Settings" GUI.

Please desist with outright lies and FUD.

Edited 2012-10-21 07:17 UTC

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