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OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Thu 6th Dec 2012 20:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
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I'm perfectly aware of the existence of other operating systems. I use many operating systems, usually OpenBSD, GNU/Linux distros and Haiku OS.
But yes - you're right. I did this assumption about the "markets", because - usually - FLOSS operating systems have that option to share drivers. That makes just one "market" for all of them - just by the nature of FLOSS. Of course, I won't mention problems with communication between GPL and BSD guys when it comes to drivers. That's a whole different story and I think It can be sorted out.

When I say "certified" I mean: "checked to run with FLOSS". It means that such hardware would just work with FLOSS operating systems. The actual "certification" is not really needed. FLOSS is not [only] about "markets" anyway. It's about freedom and independence. We don't need costly certifications and other things that come from the corporate world. We only need working example of hardware that runs FLOSS operating system [like those that some companies sell in bundles - HW + GNU/Linux or OpenSolaris - as I've never seen anything with *BSD on board - yet! <I'm not talking about Soekris, OpenBSD, routers>].
It's "open source" that's more dependant from the "market" model. Libre software doesn't share that dependance [again: not talking about Linux kernel development being sponsored in some parts by commercial companies].

I agree with you that "standardized" hardware would be the best thinh to get, but we live in kinda different reality, when there are even more an more closed ecosystems around us, everyday. Why not use that <flawed> model to create 100%-FLOSS compatible hardware [and thus - STANDARDS COMPLIANT!] rather then fight with some closed-minded corporate folks and "markets"? That's just WAY more efficient and safe [for the future]. Let those FLOSS-compatible hardware makers arise. Vote for such hardware, show your interrest in such solutions, and there will be more of it. Use the "free market" to your own purpose - standarization.

As a side note - don't think about the price alone. Think about other things:
- you don't buy your hardware that often
- you are not forced to upgrade your hardware that often when you use FLOSS operating system
- you can pay few extra bucks to get it all, can't you? I do it and I'd recommend it to everyone. Our freedom is worth it.

You seem to be pessimist on it all, but just think about it: is there any other way to make the things we are talking about a reality? we need to act and vote with our wallets right now. Not in the future. Don't look at others. Just do what's right and explain it to people. Some people will get it, and will explain it to other people, and so it goes.

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