Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 6th Dec 2012 05:26 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sat 8th Dec 2012 02:44 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai
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kaiwai,

"Then don't buy motherboards or computers off dodgy vendors who do such things in the first place."

But if it doesn't get advertised, how would you know which models do it? That's one of the points made by the article, he went back to look at the specs to confirm that UEFI wasn't even listed at all, so there's no way he could have made an informed decision for one product based on the merchant specs, much less scanning through hundreds of product listings.

Hopefully someone will come up with a public database for this kind of information. If anyone knows of one, please link!

That said, I think MS backed away from enforcing secure boot on x86 because they feared the legal outcomes of that battle. Like you, I don't think they'll be reversing this decision. Even so, they've still managed to put an end to the proliferation of trouble-free linux live boot media in the hands of newbies, which could be considered a partial victory for MS.


1) Stop conflating UEFI with secure boot - they're not interchangeable.
2) The issue is a crappy/buggy firmware which can occur in ANY motherboard and not just some nefarious evil doer rubbing their hands with glee dreaming up new ways to screw over the 'growing Linux user base'.
3) Buggy firmware impacts on Windows users just as it impacts on alternative operating systems as well - it is just that Microsoft has the time and resources to spend working around the crapnastic nature of many motherboard vendors out there.
4) I just had a check out of the MSI motherboard in question and they made no secret that it uses UEFI - all you have to do is download their manual and read it. Again, the issue isn't with UEFI but its poor implementation and like any horrible product you make the decision based on reviews, feedback from family and friends, asking online forums etc. Microsoft is in no way responsible for MSI's lack time and effort when it comes to putting out a motherboard with a well tested and debugged firmware.

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