Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 13th Jan 2013 14:48 UTC
Windows Tom Warren: "While Intel is trying to keep the Windows tree healthy, Microsoft is hoping that the leaves don't start to drop off before its own family of Surface devices are fully ready. Redmond isn't 'priming the pump' here, it's planting seeds for the future. If Microsoft is successful then it could be the world's biggest Windows OEM in just a few years. The future is Surface." You just have to look at the difference in build quality and supplied software between OEM devices and Surface even though Surface is cheaper to realise that the age of Windows OEMs is coming to an end. The writing's on the wall, and the OEMs know it: there's no future for them in Windows.
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RE[4]: OEMs did it to themselves
by bassbeast on Wed 16th Jan 2013 13:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: OEMs did it to themselves"
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Wouldn't help, over the last 2 years no fewer than 3 different Intel chipsets have been broken horribly by mainline and had to be fixed by Intel which sometimes took weeks.

Its time for everyone to get together and tell Torvalds to STFU or step down, whichever he wants to do. Quick what do BSD, Solaris, Windows, OSX, iOS,ChromeOS and Android have that Linux DON'T? A stable driver ABI so changes to the kernel don't crap on the drivers. Linux is the ONLY one that has such silliniess as programs and even patches "requires kernel x.xx" because of the frankly broken way Torvalds has instituted the thing. Now is anybody gonna argue with a straight face that Linus is smarter than ALL of those OS designers put together?

Lets call a spade a spade, its politics. Linus LIKES having God like control thanks to the way things are set up and if there was a stable ABI he'd be just one more link in the chain and he don't like that. And don't trot out the "ZOMFG they might...gasp...have NON FREE drivers sob!" because guess what? There already ARE non free drivers, and they usually work BETTER than what Torvalds and friends approve, see how Nvidia is THE card to use in Linux for example.

If Linux is EVER gonna get out of last place either the community needs to rally around getting Torvalds taken out of the big chair for somebody that will listen to reason or there needs to be a forking AWAY from Torvalds so that a stable ABI can be implemented. Isn't that what is supposed to be great about FOSS? You can fork away from damage?

Well this is major damage, its being done for political reasons (in fact the ONLY article anybody can produce by a kernel dev in support of the current situation includes the line "and I hope all non free drivers break!" which proves beyond a reasonable doubt its a political NOT a design choice) and it needs to go. When the entire planet is doing it one way and having it work just fine and you chose another and having Mickey Mouse breakage its time to take a good look in the mirror and think. Its this kind of crud that keeps Linux in last place, it ain't the DEs, it ain't the software, its the fact that NO retailer can sell your product installed and not run the risk of having half his sales come back broken on first update. That kind of crap went out with XP on the MSFT side, OSX on the Apple side, yet here it is 2013 and it still happens on the Linux side, that is truly sad.

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