Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Mar 2013 20:17 UTC
In the News "An incident at the annual Python developer conference has led to allegations of sexism, death threats, the firings of two people, and - apparently - multiple DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks." Absolutely bizarre.
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RE[2]: Both sides
by sparkyERTW on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 13:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Both sides"
sparkyERTW
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How simple would it have been to say, "That joke is offensive, please stop"?


Well, there's the school of thought that having to do so is a secondary act of harrasment: the first is the comments/act that caused the person to feel uncomfortable, while the second is the embarrassment of having to stand in front of that person and let them know how their comments/act made them feel, forcing the victim to put their private emotions/feelings on display for the perpetrator. There's a certain amount of truth to it, but not so much that I feel it should be an automatic reason to escalation in every situation (and definitely not in this one, where the comments were not directed nor even about the offended person - or even explicitly their gender - in question).

In any case... I think this is a case where both parties were in the wrong. The developer making the joke was at a professional conference representing his company, and should have conducted himself as he would have in front of any partner, client, vendor, etc. Adria's response was also greatly disproportionate; instead of leaving it at reporting it to PyCon - whose Code of Conduct was violated - she took it public in a manner in which she was also representing her company, and did so in a way that greatly overstated the severity of the situation (little girls everywhere never learning to program because of their "big dongle" joke? Characterizing their behaviour as lynch mob-ish, Lord of the Flies anarchy? Come on). Not to mention she made essentially the same faux pas via Twitter days earlier (if you don't see the equivalence, give your head a shake).

Should they both have been fired? Cant' say. But at the very least they both acted poorly. If anything I feel more sympathy for the fired developer; at least he seems to regret his actions, while Adria is still proudly beating her chest over what she did (though I am disgusted to hear that death/rape threats being leveled at her; inexcusable).

Edited 2013-03-22 13:55 UTC

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