Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 12:10 UTC
Windows The Verge confirms an earlier story by Mary Jo Foley. "Microsoft is preparing to revive the traditional Start button it killed with Windows 8. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that Windows 8.1 will include the return of the Start button. We understand that the button will act as a method to simply access the Start Screen, and will not include the traditional Start Menu. The button is said to look near-identical to the existing Windows flag used in the Charm bar."
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RE[3]: Even if they do...
by Nelson on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 18:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Even if they do..."
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If that's the case, then their "statistics" must have been gathered purely in-house by people who are getting paid by Microsoft's marketing division...

The CEIP is a feedback mechanism built into Windows. It is not an in house statistic or done by Microsoft's marketing division. I'm unsure where you got this from.

I find it curious that you choose not to even address the relevant stats, not to challenge them on any basis other than some unsupported astro turfing claim which is characteristic of your lack of objectivity to the subject matter.

Clearly, now that Windows 8 is out in the wild, the "true" statistics are out.

What do you mean? Windows 8 has sold tens of millions of copies, and will continue to do so. Are you suggesting that Windows 8 isn't selling? I wasn't aware that serious people were making this claim.

This is whats most annoying, that people like you feel that they're entitled to their own facts. Do you have any idea what the scale of the Windows install base is?

Any way you slice it, Windows 8 has sold millions and millions of copies. App developers can and are becoming rich on the Windows Store.

Say, was it customers who wanted Metro to be foisted upon everyone too? I doubt it. Microsoft had the option to make both of these an option--but instead they decided to try to enforce them, against their resisting customers' wishes.

Metro is an option. If you don't like it you can just open the Desktop tile and run your classic apps. I don't understand how this is not choice.

A lack of choice would be removing the Desktop from Windows 8 completely.

Then, when Microsoft does a little to appease the annoying "power" (term used loosely here) users, people like you still manage to find a way to complain. Microsoft is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The meme that Windows 8 isnt selling, or even more hilarious, that Windows 8 isnt selling because you cant access the start menu is so rooted in fantasy that it s almost astonishing.

There are no data points to back up this FUD. None. What so ever. People are not ditching Windows, the PC is decline for a variety of reasons that are a hell of a lot more complex than any theory you put forth.

As if removing a core part of Windows since 1995 was such a brilliant, infallable idea that would never be challenged!

What exactly has been removed from Windows? The start menu that everyone HATED when Vista/7 came out? You people are unreal.

The same people who now miss the start menu dearly and hold it up as an example of why Windows 8 is a failure are the same people who called it a piece of shit in prior releases.

This isn't about a genuine concern over a lack of a start menu, this is a missing feature than you can use as a stick to hit Microsoft with. Its so disingenuous.

Edited 2013-04-22 18:59 UTC

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