Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 18th May 2013 21:33 UTC
Google Why does Google get so much credit in the technology industry? Why, despite the company's many obvious failings, do many geeks and enthusiasts still hold a somewhat positive view on the all-knowing technology giant? A specific talk at Google I/O this week provides the answer.
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RE: Comment by kragil
by koffie on Wed 22nd May 2013 01:18 UTC in reply to "Comment by kragil"
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Google better at FOSS than Apple? Hmm yes they are more prominently present, but you cannot claim Apple avoids FOSS. LLVM/Clang, Webkit, their entire kernel, Cups (used by every single Linux distribution as THE printing framework), ... Both companies use opensource as they fit. Google just makes more of a "we are FOSS" stance, but in reality? What part of their core products is opensource? Google search? Gmail? Google+? Don't say Android, which contains major closed source parts, and sometimes they just seem to decide not to release any sources at all for a new version.

Lock-in? Could you clarify? Inter-operability is higher on my list of important things for a platform, and Google seems to be closing everything down.

Better in regards to standards? So that's why Google is dropping RSS, CalDAV, CardDAV XMPP, ... What's next? Oh and let's not talk about Android not supporting ANY open standard regarding contacts or calendar syncing without buggy crappy 3rd party solutions. So is that "we love standards"? Some of their efforts for standardisation - how futile they may seem (think WebP or VP8/VP9) are good things - but these are also strictly out of self-interest. But Google+? How do I interact with that? Facebook is more open about that than Google, just think about that. Last google i/o was "everything integrated in G+". That smells like a lock-in to me?

Then, transparency? Seriously? Do you know what Google does with your data? What they know of you? Google has a very transparent side to them, yes, as long as it does not involve their core business. Yes they can be very open about certain things, but some people like to forget all the closed and secret things going on at Google.

Price? You pay for it with your privacy. Google actively working around privacy measures on iOS anyone? I'd rather pay someone with money when they're honest about what they're selling. Google is a company. They HAVE to make money somehow, and their main source of income is selling you to advertisers.

Working conditions? Google is a software company. Their core assets are smart people working for them, it's in their best interest to treat them extremely well. The hardware they sell is made by other companies who are just as well using giants like Foxconn, just as any PC or electronics maker does. So what is their stance on working conditions exactly? Are you sure no kid ever assembled a Nexus phone, tablet or Chromebook? Other Android phones are not Google's problem, so that makes it quite easy for them.

Then - stance on China. Apple is not in the "search" business, they do not have to bend to censorship, which Google did for a long time. I'd check up on this before saying stupid things. They want to do business in China just as much as any global company. They just have a very hard product to sell in a censored society.

As much as I like the "hacker" mentality of Google, they have a side they are hiding, and it shows more and more lately. A lot of the things they do don't seem to add up for me, and a lot of the decisions they make disturb me nowadays.

If put down money for an Apple product, I know what I'm paying for. Someone else is paying Google to keep me close to Google so they can harvest data. They used to do this with customer satisfaction, but nowadays I more and more feel like they are trying to push things down my throat (which all seems to come down to: Google+). Some of their services still are superior, and I will keep using them as long as they're happy.

But for RSS - I had to find something else. I was perfectly happy with google reader, but they somehow decided I, and a lot of other people weren't worth the trouble, and are killing it. Now I switched to newsblur, for which I payed with a smile, since now I know how this service is kept online and will not be killed off simply because someone decided it didn't bring in enough data for, or money from advertisements.

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