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RE[5]: Partition lock-down
by Laurence on Thu 27th Jun 2013 08:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Partition lock-down"
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I like the words "stable" and "bloat" handed around that mean absolutely nothing.

Which is why I gave context and comparisons rather than simply applying vague adjectives. And I know full well that you're now just deliberately "cherry-picking" words in an attempt to destroy the validity of my claims (ie death by a thousand papercuts). Can't we have a mature discussion for once?

Lots of people at the time said Windows 98 SE was stable and lean.

You complained about none descriptive terms that don't mean anything then go one to claim "lot's of people" which is a worthless statement. Who's "people"? How many are "lot's"? If you're going to complain about "stable" and "bloat" then you can at least follow your own criticisms. ;)

Anyway, I agree that Win98SE was more stable than 98 (first edition). But it certainly wasn't stable by today's standards. Windows 2000 is.

And I disagree about the lean comment as well. The 98 series integrated web crap into the desktop shell - badly. Granted a lot of that stuff was still present in Win2000, but it was refined quite a bit by then. Though the main reason it didn't feel as intrusive in 2000 might be down to hardware advances - ie faster CPUs etc == more resources to hope with Active Desktop etc. However I do accept your point that the bloat/lean argument isn't precise nor constructive. So I'll happily withdraw that argument ;)

9x series wasn't as bad as you make out.

If you'd ever owned non-IBM PCs for comparison, you wouldn't be making that comment. The 9x series was slow, buggy, and the mismatch of having DOS and Windows applications was just ugly. Switching their desktop line to NT was the best decision Microsoft have ever made in regards to Windows.

Yeah Windows 2000 was more stable, but almost nothing worked with it.

I used Windows 2000 since only a few months after launch and I really can't think of any compatibility problems. If there were any, it would have been pretty inconsequential as Win2000 was my primary desktop and I never felt the need to boot into my 98SE dual boot (in fact I wiped that disk a few months later to mess about with Linux).

While I'm sure others might have had some issues (to be fair, any new release of Windows does bring new issues), stating "nothing worked" is massively overstated. "most had no issues" would be more accurate.

You talk about gaming, most games didn't work

Windows 2000 was my primary gaming machine. My only gaming machine in fact (excluding the Dreamcast - but that came later). I never had a game that wouldn't in Win2k (bar one Genesis emulator IIRC. But that was quickly fixed). I've genuinely had more problems gaming with DOS drivers in Windows 95 than I've had with Windows 2000.

Are you sure you've even used Windows 2000 and not just reciting some of the conservative press releases from Microsoft at the time of 2k's launch? MS were tentative about the application support of Win2k as it was such a departure they didn't want developers and users to assume everything was going to work out of the box. I remember scratching my head at that time because of having so few issues - I was wondering why Microsoft were being so paranoid (maybe they were trying to justify Windows Me sales?)

but don't talk about it like it was some magical OS.

I'm not talking about it like it's magical. I simply said it was my favourite release of Windows and gave reasons why; and because you bloody asked me to cite reasons too. So cut the sensationalist crap.

Edited 2013-06-27 08:40 UTC

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