Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 20th Jul 2013 19:05 UTC
Legal "Alan Turing, the Enigma codebreaker who took his own life after being convicted of gross indecency under anti-homosexuality legislation, is to be given a posthumous pardon. The government signalled on Friday that it is prepared to support a backbench bill that would pardon Turing, who died from cyanide poisoning at the age of 41 in 1954 after he was subjected to 'chemical castration'." Justice.
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RE[2]: Pardon?
by galvanash on Sun 21st Jul 2013 05:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Pardon?"
galvanash
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A pardon is insulting, but "hey, I'm throwing money at you, so stop complaining" is not insulting.


Fair point. They are both sort of empty gestures, but what else can you do? You can't undo it...

I think the difference to me though is that a pardon is about the man, not the the unjust law. To me Turing was a victim, there is nothing to pardon him for. At least setting up an education fund would make it obvious that the wrong that is trying to be set right is the unjust law - a pardon makes it seem that the "wrong" was that Turing happened to be prosecuted under it.

Guess what, a pardon is a part of condemning the law and reversing a conviction.


No its not. A pardon is literally "forgiving" someone for an offense they committed. That is why I find this insulting - it has no relationship at all to condemning the law. If it is about the law then make it about the law, not a particular victim.

Its not about reversing a conviction either - that is a completely different concept than a pardon... That is my point really - a pardon does not in any way condemn a law, it merely forgives someone for breaking it.

People who complain about his pardon is being smug in their complete avoidance of actually trying to set things right rather than poopooing any small step towards the larger goal because they didn't get it in their first try.


I can appreciate that point of view. Really, I can. I just have trouble seeing that as a step toward a larger goal - sometimes a "small step" is so small that it seems almost an insult. I do appreciate the efforts of the people who petitioned for it though, I just wish they had gotten more is all.

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