Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:33 UTC

Speaking at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was refreshingly realistic about the company's struggles in smartphones and tablets. "Mobile devices. We have almost no share."

Right. Now that Ballmer himself admits it, can we please settle the discussion? Windows Phone has been a failure up until now.

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RE[7]: Doesn't matter
by dpJudas on Sun 22nd Sep 2013 00:30 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Doesn't matter"
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Considering that your very own comment history has you hurling an insult at me, I wouldn't throw stones from a glass house if I were you.

OK, fair enough, I do have a tendency of not taking your facts for face value. And in this thread I did hint that once again. But there's a very good reason for this.

If we take your 10% market share claims, you deliberately are always only telling half the story to try boost your arguments. We both know the actual Windows Phone market share for high-end phones is lower than this. If you actually weighted all those numbers by population, including the US, then you'd see that it doesn't even meet the magical 10% share.

But hey, I was already throwing you a bone by at least starting the debate assuming WP could meet the 10% market share. What I am personally not convinced is that it will be enough. The reason is that there's some magical percentage (which we can only speculate what exactly is) where the ecosystem of a platform loses support from corporations.

We do have some hints of where the limit might be. The Linux (desktop) market share is clearly too low. The Apple OS X one proved sustainable in the 00's, although it was clearly at the edge as they did have trouble getting many large companies to support their platform. I'm sure we both can agree BB's new platform never stood a chance because of this effect.

As far as moving the goalposts go, I was talking more about the general trend on this website of refusing to give Microsoft credit for any kind of progress they've made with Windows Phone. It's so insulting to people that, holy fuck, maybe we're wrong and maybe the strategy is bearing out.

We just have to disagree on this. All conspiracy theories aside, I don't think it was ever Microsoft's plan that they had to buy the Nokia mobile division. The way I view things, Microsoft had no choice but to buy Nokia at the end. It was either that, or get out of the mobile business. The PR disaster if Nokia had been allowed to die (or start releasing Android phones) would have caused most corporations to consider the WP ecosystem dead. (Yes, I know you don't agree that they would have died. I disagree)

By buying Nokia I think they got themselves one more shot at turning things around. Steve Ballmer doesn't sound like he thinks their strategy was bearing out.

Oh and just for the record, I think there are many things Microsoft have done right. For example, the new C++/CX thing looks quite interesting, even though it will take some years before I can actually try use it out in the field (due to it being Windows 8 only).

What's the excuse going to be at 15% in some markets? Or better yet, what will make you admit that the strategy is working?

You will see me admit their strategy is working as their market share continues to rise. I have no set market share percentage since I have no evidence exactly at what percentage a mobile OS ecosystem is sustainable. Finding out exactly that is what I find interesting about this entire thing.

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