Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:33 UTC

Speaking at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was refreshingly realistic about the company's struggles in smartphones and tablets. "Mobile devices. We have almost no share."

Right. Now that Ballmer himself admits it, can we please settle the discussion? Windows Phone has been a failure up until now.

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2007-11-11 dad had the same kinds of problems with his Lumia, which is why he sold it after just a month and got an Android which just FYI but at 73 he had ZERO trouble picking up and using.

The only "issue" he has had with android (if you can even call it that, I consider it a feature) is that he sees no point in upgrading to android 4 when his 2.3 phone works fine. I can't really blame him as I'm hard on phones so intend to stay with my 2.3 until I kill it as well.

So I'm sorry nelson, you can wave the WinFlag all you want but there IS some pretty serious issues with WinPhone, you just don't know how to look. Look for "WinPhone sluggish" "WinPhone hangs" and "WinPhone needs reboot" and you'll find all the links you want, its just the folks with WinPhone don't talk tech, you see the same with iPhone which isn't surprising as that is the market MSFT has been trying to ape.

As a lifelong windows user I can tell you this nelson, I wouldn't take a WinPhone if you paid me. after using dad's (he offered it to me, I gave it back after 2 weeks) all I could think when I used WinPhone is "Apple but worse" as everything seems to be a poorly done copy, the appstore has higher prices and worse selection, it seems even more locked down, ironically Android is closer to windows on a phone (able to install your own OS, install apps from anywhere, ton of third party mods) than WinPhone!

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