Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Dec 2013 18:06 UTC
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"Joining the Linux Foundation is one of many ways Valve is investing in the advancement of Linux gaming," Mike Sartain, a key member of the Linux team at Valve said. "Through these efforts we hope to contribute tools for developers building new experiences on Linux, compel hardware manufacturers to prioritize support for Linux, and ultimately deliver an elegant and open platform for Linux users."

Mark my words: Valve will do for Linux gaming what Android did for Linux mobile. Much crow will be eaten by naysayers in a few years.

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RE[2]: Comment by shmerl
by oiaohm on Thu 5th Dec 2013 00:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by shmerl"
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If the Linux folks can't even agree on something as basic as a f*cking graphics server (X, Wayland, Mir etc.), I say don't hold your breath. Let's not even get started on the audio stack.


Ok what etc. X11 is the exist due to age and design there is absolutely no question has to die. Wayland is from x.org project and is the designated successor to X11. Wayland has support of all bar 1 of the major Linux desktop environment and all major video card makers.

Mir/Unity/Ubuntu is the only break away. Has no support from anyone other than Ubuntu including video card makers. Odds of long term success low.

Now 1c3d0g what other etc's. There is nothing.

Lets move on to audio. You are aware back in 1996 there were 12 posix audio servers in use on Linux all incompatible with each other. I mean 100 percent incompatible. Today we are down to 3. The 3 remaining audio servers are pulseaudio and jackaudio and audio-flinger(android only) . All support very different needs. Pulseaudio and jackaudio have a cooperation interface.

Yes a cooperation interface between sound servers was unthinkable in 1996. Why the developers had your foolish logic. You must choose one equals you don't have to cooperate with other projects doing competition things.

1c3d0g there is very little real bickering and infighting really. Mir stuff is mostly that Ubuntu does not want to admit the path they have taken is mostly a no go.

One project chosen before all others does not happen in the FOSS world. What happens is the weaker slowly shows itself and gets crushed.

Pulseaudio is in fact a merge of tech from 6 different sound server projects.

1c3d0g think about it this way. Would it matter if we have 100 different sound servers and a 100 different graphical servers if applications developers only had to worry about 1 ABI/API that worked on them all. To have 1 universal ABI/API required cooperation and test-casing. Not this must choose 1 point of view. Cooperation like what happened with Pulseaudio might lead to project merging and reduction.

Yes I would like to take the heads of graphical and audio world on Linux and lock them in a room with no way out until they had universal consensus.

1c3d0g basically you have to stop repeating garbage. The Linux world is more in consensus today than it was 5 or 10 years ago. Ok the noise being generated is louder. The noise from the wayland camp is so loud because they don't want consensus disrupted.

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