Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Apr 2014 19:40 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones

Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn't live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it's because we haven't stayed true to ourselves.

We didn’t act like you'd expect Mozilla to act. We didn't move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We're sorry. We must do better.

Brendan Eich has chosen to step down from his role as CEO. He's made this decision for Mozilla and our community.

The only sensible move.

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To me wether or not the CEO of Mozilla is a homophobe or not doesn't really matter. For every action there is a reaction and he basically stepped down because his past actions pissed off too many people that he was supposed to work with .

What I'm interested in is the general discussion here and elsewhere about gay rights (LGBT is such a clunky term...). The argument that having racist attitudes is morally equal to having homophobic attitudes is often countered with "oh, so you're saying just because I'm not agreeing with the gay lifestyle and just because I want to protect marriage from "the gays", I'm racist now! Yeah, right!". If this is your argument you either don't want to understand the point, or you're confused. The argument isn't that you're a racist, the argument is that the discrimination that homosexual people suffer from is analog to the way people of different color suffer from racism. If any CEO candidate donated to the KKK(which I'm using for effect), there clearly wouldn't be any discussion here as to why he shouldn't be the boss of a diverse group like Mozilla. What Eich did, is certainly not as bad as donating to the KKK, but it's a direct affront to homosexuals(and their friends) in the same way supporting the KKK is a direct affront to blacks(and their friends).
Then there's also the argument that you can't compare homophobia with racism, because you can't chose your color while you supposedly can change your sexual behaviour. This is wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin. Many homosexuals don't even know what's up with them until their mid-twenties, sometimes it's even way later. That's because contrary to popular belief it's not all about what gives you sexual arousal, it's all about who you fall in love with. Heterosexuals can't chose which woman or man they fall in love with. It's the same with homosexuals. Many homosexuals aren't completely sure of their homosexuality before the first time that they infact do in love with someone of the same gender. And falling in love does have nothing to do with having sex. A homosexual can be in a heterosexual marriage, but the sex and everything else in the partnership will not be based on love, of course this is a depressing and deceptive situation (that can lead to betrayel, suicide and so forth). The difference between race and homosexuality is really only, that race can be seen in the mirror and homosexuality is only realised through a process of self-discovery. It's not possible to turn a heterosexual into a homosexual and it's not possible to do it vice versa. Through behaviour you can imitate heterosexuality in everything except love. But love is the whole point of a relationship, and supposedly the reason why people want to marry. So the issue basically boils down to this: Homosexuals want to be able to express their love and show their love openly by having the ability to get married, just like heterosexuals always did. Personally I doubt the whole state/church institutionalized marriage paradigm is of benefit to heterosexuals or homosexuals, but if one group of people consisting of people that didn't chose to be in that group (while I can understand that heterosexuals are generally glad that they aren't homosexuals, they are only "lucky", many/(most?/all?) homosexuals would choose to be heterosexual if that was an available option, the process of self-discovery is often inducing so much misery that homosexuals think about killing themselves and some will even do it, especially when they have to live in a repressive society) has a right for self-expression in one way, then the other group (also consisting of members who don't have the ability to choose which gender they fall in love with (falling in love with people of both genders, bisexuality, is also not a choice)) obviously shouldn't be denied the right the first group claims for itsself only because the first group is way stronger in numbers and therefore dominant.
There is also a lot of confusion created by the term "sexual orientation". When people discover that their sexuality isn't the norm, you can say they go through a phase of orientation, where they have to confront themselves with the fact that they are different and where they have to decide how to react to that fact. But the term suggests that one can use his own will to influence the "sexual orientation". It really should be called "sexual identity" or something else that reflects the fact that you ARE your sexuality in the same way people ARE black or ARE white.
Now I've to reveal myself to you. I'm gay. I might also be bisexual, but I'm confused about this myself. From when I was a child until I was 24 I was always sure about being heterosexual. Ever since I hit puberty I got boners from boobs and girl parts on TV and I also adored girls in reallife and my masturbating fantasies always centered around girls. I also had a porn addiction involving no gay porn (which means only straight porn) ever since I hit puberty. But I never fell in love with a girl the same way I fell in love with a guy at age 24. I didn't even know that such deep love (and I didn't even have a sexual relationship with that guy by the way!) was possible before that. I wanted to kill myself, because I hated the fact that my whole life was upside down from that moment. But I couldn't pull a switch in my head to turn of the love I experienced. Just like a black man can bleach his skin, but in reality he'd just be a black man with bleached skin. To this day my masturbatory fantasies center around women for the simple fact that this is a very old habit, which dies very slowly. But I can't imagine to have a relationship with a girl and to fall in love with a girl. I don't say it's impossible, which is why I think that I might be bisexual, but I'm not sure. Now I could deceive a girl and start a relationship, have sex with her, have children with her, but to base anything on deception is wrong in my opinion. The next time I fall in love with a man I might have a relationship with him and we might want to show our love to the world the same way that heterosexual couples can, by marrying. I'm not sure that I'd ever want to do that, because I think that marriage is a dangerous and stupid institution even for heterosexual couples. Divorce rates are high and the legal implications for the life after divorce are often very bad for one party. But as long as one group has the ability to make a mistake the other group should have the same right to make that mistake.
The argument that gays can have "civil unions" with basically the same rights as marriage is also bogus, because it's a form of segregation. Blacks weren't denied to use the bus under segregation, but they weren't allowed to sit infront. I also don't like "civil unions" for the practical reason, that under this system I couldn't propose to my lover with the words "do you want to marry me", I would have to use the idiotic "do you want to civil union me?" sentence instead (jokingly).
I don't believe that most of the people that argue against "gay marriage" hate gays or that they are bad people by the way. I think you're underestimating the seriousness of the situation. I think you have seen gay parades and the "gay pride" label and you therefore believe that gays can't have it that bad and that they should stop being in everybodies face. I have personally never been to a parade and I never wore a gay/LGBT label/sign anywhere on my clothes and I never displayed my "sexual identity" in any "in your face" way. In part because I'm a coward, and in part because I don't want to make a big issue out of something that shouldn't be a big issue in the year 2014, I just want to live my life and I've better things to do (dealing with problems etc.) just like every human. Did I feel discriminated against in my life? Yes. Do I feel the group of people called homosexuals which I seem to belong to is dealt a difficult and very challenging (which can break you down to the point where you will end your life prematurely) card in life? Yes

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