Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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> All this means what exactly at 4-4-4-12 timings?
> Absolutely nothing!!

The constraints of the processor don't change the status of the brand, which is the whole point of this. The RAM shipped in the PowerMac isn't 'premium' memory, it's just common OEM memory. Do you think I'm suggesting Apple pay $50+ more for memory? No. The cost doesn't match the benefit.

> On rayiner's G5 a cl 3-3-3-8 memory isn't better or
> more reliable.

Well reliability is another matter. It isn't any faster when used there. ECC memory isn't useful at all in his X2 configuration.

> G5 is Good not some cheap generic no name brand as
> you and Rayiner seem to suggest.

It's cheap mediocre memory. It isn't nameless as Rayiner suggested, but I don't really care about what Rayiner suggested. That precisely why I quoted "generic" and provided an appropriate meaning.

> They have no DDR2 533Mhz ECC memory in thier catalog.

I didn't say that they did. I said that they had ECC memory, though they're essentially in a different market segment.

> Not serious companies making serious products for the
> entire computing industry.

Your good friend BMW makes a lot of budget cars. The entire computing industry isn't desktop computers. In fact the computing industry at large doesn't consist of 'premium' products. No aggregate does. That's not premium, that's average. What does your watch need with 800MHz DDR2?

> If you think top end computing is an X2 or pentium
> Dxxx with OCZ or corsair or mucskin DIMMS. I have bad
> news for you about Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

HPC has nothing to do with this discussion. That's not even remotely the same market. Buying high-performance desktop memory for anything that require reliability is retarded. Though the processor concern is a little amusing. Multicore Xeons and Opterons will fill far more slots on the Top500 than the PowerMac will.

> Really. You can do multi-bit correction with ECC and
> chip kill. Sun's recently announced UltraSPARC T1's
> memory controller supports quad error correct and
> octal error detect ECC and chipkill.

If you want to pay in latency, cost, and space you can implement all sorts of codes. I'm not sure what that matters to the discussion of the G5 and the Athlon64, since they don't.

> No I knew they had a value brand. I bought mushkin
> DIMMS before remmember.

I think I've been clear-enough about what I've stated that precludes the lack of any process improvements from producing superior products. I think I've been perfectly clear from the onset that 1) You shouldn't compare brands you should compare models 2) If you're going to compare brands, then the brands considered "premium" are not Samsung, Micron, et al 3) The reason they're considered premium are previously outlined

> What value or "quality" is that extra curcial sticker
> adding to the micron DIMM. Nothing? Only naive idiots
> like you think a subsidiary or spin off means quality
> somehow.

None. Crucial isn't a premium brand. The "quality" is solely in Micron shedding its name (as a good supplier in your opinion) for sales. I specifically stated that it wasn't a premium brand. I really hate repeating myself, and I don't like you repeating what I say as if it's original.

> Or Smarter and less gullible than you and you don't
> want to admit it.

I have have a total of 4GB of Kingmax memory (I bet you can't guess who provides the DRAM for those spectacular modules) and probably another 8GB in assorted brands. I don't buy premium memory because it's not important to me. If you think you're smarter than all the more power to you, but given your ignorance, your inability to focus, your reliance on Google queries to make silly comments that don't make any sense in this discussion, your lack of knowledge of this subject, I don't know what you're basing that on. It must be your Sennhisers.

Edited 2005-11-16 20:55

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