Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 21st May 2017 10:36 UTC
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These, in my view, don't go far enough in stating the problem and I feel this needs to be said very clearly: Google's AMP is bad - bad in a potentially web-destroying way. Google AMP is bad news for how the web is built, it's bad news for publishers of credible online content, and it's bad news for consumers of that content. Google AMP is only good for one party: Google. Google, and possibly, purveyors of fake news.

I haven't encountered enough AMP pages in my browsing time to really form an informed opinion on it, but as a matter of principle, I'm against it. At the same time, however, all of us know that modern websites are really, really terrible. It's why so many of us use ad blockers (on top of privacy concerns, of course) - to make the modern web browsing experience bearable. In that sense, AMP serves a similar role.

Simply put: if everyone created news websites and blogs as fast and light as, say, OSNews, we wouldn't need AMP or ad blockers for speed purposes (you might still want an ad blocker for privacy reasons, of course).

On a related note, something funny happened regarding this specific article. Yesterday, John Gruber wrote:

But other than loading fast, AMP sucks. It implements its own scrolling behavior on iOS, which feels unnatural, and even worse, it breaks the decade-old system-wide iOS behavior of being able to tap the status bar to scroll to the top of any scrollable view.

Setting aside the sulphuric irony of a fervent Apple fan crusading for openness, it turns out that AMP is not implementing its own scrolling at all - the AMP team actually found a bug in Safari, reported it to Apple, and then Apple replied with stating they are switching the whole of Safari over to what Gruber perceived as AMP's own scrolling behaviour:

With respect to scrolling: We (AMP team) filed a bug with Apple about that (we didn't implement scrolling ourselves, just use a div with overflow). We asked to make the scroll inertia for that case the same as the normal scrolling.

Apple's response was (surprisingly) to make the default scrolling like the overflow scrolling. So, with the next Safari release all pages will scroll like AMP pages. Hope Gruber is happy then :)

Well, I thought this was entertaining.

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RE: "Fake News" saga, Take 2
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 23rd May 2017 23:46 UTC in reply to ""Fake News" saga, Take 2"
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Google is so blatantly in the tank for the Democratic party that their voice (Android) and email (GMail) platforms flag Republican Party or Trump Campaign communications as spam even when you've specifically requested them and repeatedly flagged them as not spam upon arrival.


Ever hear the expression "don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence"? In this case, the "incompetence" appears to be on the part of conservative politicians and/or the third-parties contracted to manage their EMail "marketing."

I can't speak for GMail, but running a mail server in Canada, I've noticed that the crop of milquetoast Trump-wannabees currently running for leadership of our Conservative party tend to run afoul of spam filters (in my case, I relatively stock config of SpamAssassin) more often than promo EMails from the other political parties. And not because of any evident political bias from the people writing SA's default filters: the only "political" filter I've seen triggered is KAM_POLITICS, mainly because of EMails that use the term "liberal(s)" err, liberally. But that filter also looks for EMails that contain the word "conservative(s)," lest you think there's some political bias behind it - it's just that conservative politicians, at least in this neck of the woods, are more prone to using terminology that gets identified as "right vs left"/"culture war" spam.

(Granted, some of that is probably due to the fact that the KAM_POLITICS filter seems to have been written with the US in mind, and doesn't take into account the fact that, at least in Canada, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are more often used as proper nouns to refer to the respective Liberal and Conservative political parties, rather than characterizations/slurs referring to general ideologies. It also seems to be skewed by which party currently holds power - when the Conservatives were in power, most of the EMails from Liberal politicians referred to them heavily and were subsequently caught by the same filters.)

Otherwise, the EMails tend to get flagged as spam for more mundane reasons - E.g. campaign EMails from Brad "I'm totally not a bigot, but I'll just mention at every opportunity that I won't participate in gay pride parades" Trost tend to get flagged because of the filters "KAM_REALLYHUGEIMGSRC" (RAW: Spam with image tags with ridiculously huge http urls) and "LONG_HEX_URI" (Very long purely hexadecimal URI). That, and the fact that their EMails usually a thinly veiled lead-up to asking for donations, so they often run afoul of "e-begging" filters.


After the "fake news" memetic weapon got turned around on the Left


Ahem... "turned around" seems like an incredibly generous description - because all of the examples I've seen could be taught to university students as object lessons on the fallacy of False Equivalence. In other words, people mindlessly equating thr Washington Post or NYT with Breitbart - failing to recognize that there's a world of difference between legitimate news organizations that may have political leanings/sensational slant... and organizations that regularly publish actual, (un)factual fake news (read: falsified and/or completely unsubstantiated - see also: Pizzagate).

It's no different from creationists who claim that "evolutionism" is a "religion." Back in the Usenet days, we used to derisively refer to that type of retort as an "IKYABWAI" ("I Know You Are But What Am I"). Or as my grandparents used to say: "Monkey see, monkey do."

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