Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Sep 2017 11:08 UTC
Google Jon von Tetzchner, CEO of Vivalvi (and former CEO of Opera):

Recently, our Google AdWords campaigns were suspended without warning. This was the second time that I have encountered this situation. This time, however, timing spoke volumes.

I had several interviews where I voiced concerns about the data gathering and ad targeting practices - in particular, those of Google and Facebook. They collect and aggregate far too much personal information from their users. I see this as a very serious, democracy-threatening problem, as the vast targeting opportunities offered by Google and Facebook are not only good for very targeted marketing, but also for tailored propaganda. The idea of the Internet turning into a battlefield of propaganda is very far away from the ideal.

Two days after my thoughts were published in an article by Wired, we found out that all the campaigns under our Google AdWords account were suspended - without prior warning. Was this just a coincidence? Or was it deliberate, a way of sending us a message?

Large technology companies have an immense amount of control over and influence on our society, far more than they - or anyone else, for that matter - care to admit. We're way past the point where governments should step in and start to correct this dangerous situation. It's time for another breakup of the Bell System. It's time we, as society, take a long, hard look at corporations - in tech and elsewhere - and ask ourselves if we really want to be subject to the control of organisations we effectively have no democratic control over.

I'm not a proponent of nationalisation, but I am a proponent of breaking up Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, and possibly others (I'm sticking to technology for now) to severely limit their power and influence. The products and services these companies create have become too important and too vital to the functioning of our society, and they should be treated as such.

It wouldn't be the first time we, as society, decide a certain product has become too vital to leave in corporations' unrestricted hands.

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RE[5]: Comment by judgen
by Gone fishing on Sat 9th Sep 2017 02:05 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by judgen"
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Usually child labour is upheld by - and not abolished by - governments.

Lets use the UK as example:

1802 Health and Morals of Apprentices Act (not enforced): No apprentice in textile factories to work more than 12 hours a day. Night work was banned.

1819 Factory Act limits working day for children in cotton mills to 12 hours. Children under the age of 9 should not be employed, but magistrates did not enforce this.

1833 Factory Act limits work for children in textile factories (children aged 9-13 should work no more than 48 hours a week) and includes provision for the education of children working in the textile factories (children under the age of 13 to attend school for 12 hours a week). Inspectors employed to enforce law.

1842 Mines Act: Women and girls, and boys under the age of 10, were not allowed to work underground. Boys under the age of 15 were not allowed to work machinery. 1844 Factory Act: Children under 13 to work no more than 6.5 hours per day. Women and children aged 13-18 to work no more than 12 hours a day.

1844 "Ragged Schools" set up for the poorest children. 1847 Factory Act limits women and children under 18 to 58-hour working week. 1850 Factory Act establishes standard working day. 1860 Mines Act: Boys under 12 not allowed underground unless they could read and write.

1870 Education Act (Forster's Act)-sets up School Boards to provide schooling for 5-11 year olds.

1875 Act passed which required all chimney sweeps to be licensed. Licences were issued only to sweeps not using climbing boys.

1878 Factory and Workshops Act: Employment of children under 10 banned. Regulations of control safety, ventilation and meals.

1880 Education Act school compulsory for children aged 5-10. 1891 Assisted Education Act funds each child, allowing schools to stop having to charge fees.

1918 School-leaving age raised to 14.

1944 School-leaving age raised to 15.

1973 School-leaving age raised to 16.

2008 Students starting secondary school in September 2008 now have to stay in compulsory education until they are 17. Source: Herefordshire Council

It seems that government has something to do with the regulation and eventual abolition of child labour.

Nevertheless during this period we have the Chartist movement and by 1875 the Trade Union Movement has 1 million members and is organising strikes and direct action.

Government is a product and a reflection of the societies that generate it. If you think that government in all societies is equivalent your radical skepticism is naive and dangerous. I say this as someone who lived in interesting countries. The checks on privilege power have been hard won and are reflected in systems of government and civil society. I have no doubt they can be lost.

As for world wide proletarian revolution with pleasure as its only aim, I don't see it coming soon.

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