Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Feb 2018 01:02 UTC

Windows 10 S, the Microsoft Store-only version of Windows, is going away, but not really.

Currently, Windows 10 S is a unique edition of Windows 10. It's based on Windows 10 Pro; Windows 10 Pro has various facilities that enable system administrators to restrict which software can be run, and Windows 10 S is essentially a preconfigured version of those facilities. In addition to locking out arbitrary downloaded programs, it also prevents the use of certain built-in Windows features such as the command-line, PowerShell, and Windows Subsystem for Linux.

For those who can't abide by the constraints that S imposes, you can upgrade 10 S to the full 10 Pro. This upgrade is a one-shot deal: there's no way of re-enabling the S limitations after upgrading to Pro. It's also a paid upgrade: while Microsoft offered it as a free upgrade for a limited time for its Surface Laptop, the regular price is $49.

Nothing much actually seems to be changing; it just turns Windows 10 S from a version into a mode. Pretty much a distinction without a difference. My biggest issue here is that you can't go from regular Windows 10 back to Windows 10 S if you ever had a reason to do so (e.g. if Windows were ever to be usable with just Metro apps in the future and you want the additional security Windows 10 S provides). Seems like an odd restriction.

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RE[6]: Mission creep is afoot
by Alfman on Wed 7th Feb 2018 18:22 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Mission creep is afoot"
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It is going to be a long time from now when that will happen. Almost all products that Microsoft sells still require "Full Mode". If their own products don't require full mode anymore we might have actually reached a point where "S mode" has all the benefits and none of the negatives and should be the only mode.
Let me put it this way:
The moment I can run the entirety of Visual Studio (including compiling/debugging/android emulators/etc) from S Mode there might not be a reason for full mode to exist anymore

Firstly, vendors can and do make exceptions for themselves because they don't want to live under the same restrictions they are imposing on others. However you're also missing something fundamental, the fact that a developer might always have additional machine access (ie buying a specialized developer model, or paying for a developer key, etc) in no way mitigates the loss of rights for regular owners. Owners should always have the right to install 3rd party stores, browsers, search engines, etc. Of course whether they use it or not is up to them, but it should be their right. It's just not good enough if only a few privileged owners have access.

If somebody makes a RedHat clone tomorrow that can only be configured to always accept all Alpha updates from all channels I wouldn't see a use for that personally but there is no reason for me to combat that distro. Maybe there is a group of cutting edge developers/testers that would love such a distro.

Your example is subject to the GPL, which explicitly gives owners and 3rd parties the right to take everything and modify it to their hearts content.

Honestly if windows 10 s was offered under the same conditions as this hypothetical example, then there wouldn't be anywhere near the controversy over owner rights because any deficiencies could be rectified by the community.

Edited 2018-02-07 18:35 UTC

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