Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Jan 2006 16:51 UTC
Amiga & AROS There is kind of a stir in the Amiga community. As Hyperion employees explained in an IRC chat, Hyperion suffers from a lack of hardware for the development (and thus sales) of AmigaOS4. However, what about Genesi? Genesi is the company behind the ODW, a PPC workstation that could potentially be the solution to Hyperion's lack-of-hardware problems. However, friction between the two companies is preventing them from coming to an agreement. More from the community here, and here. My take: I find this a rather silly situation. It is quite clear that Genesi is one of the few companies capable of offering a steady flow of PPC hardware for the AmigaOS, yet things in the past are preventing a financially interesting cooperation. And who suffer? Exactly-- Amiga fans.
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RE[3]: Amiga today?
by Raffaele on Tue 3rd Jan 2006 10:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Amiga today?"
Raffaele
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2005-11-12

@ ALL

However What I am intended in my last post with:

FEVELOPING was DEVELOPING. Just only a typo error. Sorry.



@ W-ber. You wrote:

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Those are all good reasons to buy the OS, but what
about the hardware?
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New OSes run on a limited choice of hardware solutions, but these are more than old LEGACY classic Amiga hardware solutions.

AROS is sure a good choice because it runs on X86 and PPC too.
But it lacks of DRIVERS for PCI cards and AGP, and more (PCI-ex).

Because AROS lacks of developers, there are too few of them. Must increase growth of userbase and base of developers.

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What's so good about (yet nonexistant) official Amiga hardware?
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Well Pegasos II exists... Why do you believe it is non-exixtant?

AmigaONE could not stand along, because MAI Logic Inc. is dead.

None is producing Articia neither the new IMPROVED Articia P.

Maybe when in the future another firm will collect all intellectual properties of MAI Logic, then production of Articia MAI chip could start again and new AmigaONE could be produced again along when refourbished of a quantity of Articia Chips...

But IS IT NECESSARY?

Pegasos is alread here. It is about to became FIRST OPEN PLATFORM with the design layout released to everyone.

Think of this:

UBOOT and OPEN FIRMWARE are open and based on BSD.

A good little team of two or three software gurus could adapt them to be loaded on Pegasos II open motherboard.


Then it is up to groups of buyers to join...

...and hire a german, or britannic based, or french, or american, or chinese manufacturer specialized in producing little quantities of motherboards to buy their machines, simply by collecting a bounty.

...or even resellers, who have alredy enough funds could hire small production of new OPEN BASED PEGASOS II MOTHERBOARDS, and then put some quantities of it on the market.

Future is SILICON-ON-DEMAND.

I.e. Customers or resellers can hire manufacturers of "little amounts of hardware solutions" to start productions of small amounts of OPEN motherboards.

And Pegasos II OPEN MOTHRBOARD is the first concrete example of it.

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It's PPC, yes, and I like PPC, but it has a PCI and an AGP bus, an IDE bus, a USB bus, standard RAM, all that sort of things which can be found in x86 PC's as well. What are the benefits?
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Standard hardware solutions = Low cost for the user to upgrade machines with standard RAM, Standard HDD, and so on.

Do you remember how much it costs to upgrade RAM of Amiga with GVP Inc. modules of memory???

Do you remember how much it costs to develop cards for ZORRO "Amiga Only" standard bus???

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To my knowledge there aren't even any custom, high performance chips, which used to be the reason why the Amiga performed so well in 1980s.
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High performance chips are the reason because Amiga lost quickly top-of-the-hill ruler position in the market.

Because high performance custom chips are to be re-designed at any advance of the technology, and require new machines and new platforms to be mounted and on which to be fitted to.

That is not economic for the manufacturer itself, and not economic for the buyer who should pay a surplus for the high costs of re-design, high costs to assmble new motherboards, and change its machine at any advance of the technology.

It is good to change an entire motherboard when new connecting solutions raise as standards:

Such as SATA, DDR2 RAM, PCI-express, new form factors such as BTX.

It is not good to change the motheboard when another CPU processor came out, or new graphical chipset raises, or audio chipset (for example multi-monitor solution, DVI connector, new improved pipelines, vector shading, blending, mapping, etc., 32bit depth of video 40 bit depth video, HDTV, Audio AC97, Audio surround, Dolby 3.1, 5.1, 7.1).

In these situations it is very very better only to change CPU daughterboard, AGP card, or PCI card, than build a new Amiga, with new chipset.

This fact does not prevent some manufacturers to build amiga-only AGP, PCI, PCI-express hardware expansion cards or whatever else, capable of made use of Amiga drivers, and its peculiar capabilities to handle the hardware, giving a boost to performances...

And new Amiga motherboards with a mix of proprietary hardware (and new bus standards such as Zorro), and with a mix standard hardware (memories, HDD, PCI-Ex) could born in the future... Who knows?

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(Not to say those are needed... and if they aren't, why create the new board if the only difference is the CPU?)
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New board intended opposed to old Amiga chipset legacy? New boards opposing X86 Vs. PPC hardware solution?
Please explain that.

Is it the fact that the hardware is known from the start, and only a limited set of devices is supported? That'll make driver developers happy and making the OS a bit more stable easier, but is that all?

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