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I respond to all the linux-converts and *BSD newbies who say "wow man, its like the source code is so much cleaner and mature..." Think of where BSD came from. Berkeley. UC Berkeley + 1970's (even up until today) grows some prime greens. (unix source code,, and the developers who wrote/taught it). Do some history on Unix, and things in ALL of todays OS's are completly obvious. Do some history on Berkeley, and things in ALL of todays *BSD are now obvious. ....Just picture those "summer of '69" albums where there are passing around a big green fattie and pondering the future... ...if you still don't respect the 20-30 (depending on how you look at it) year old BSD source tree, just ask Linus where he got his TCP stack from, ask cisco where their IOS came from, ask Cap'n Bill where alot of his NT kernel and quite a bit of other parts came from... It is obvious when "all 99 out of 100 vendors have parts of the same telnetd overflow bug". ThankYou: Department of Defense, UC-Berkeley, A,W,K, and of course Ritchie... [I hereby BSD copyright this message, and override the OSNews copyright, therefore giving anyone/everyone full permission to duplicate/modify/redistribute any or all parts of this message for any use the see fit, except to make me liable for anything outcoming] --try that with the GPL...